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ringobob t1_jeg47mg wrote

Reply to comment by michalsrb in There really isn't any reason why north is always upward and south is always downward on maps. by GuinnessTheBestBoi

I wonder if it's a personality thing, given a blank piece of paper and your own deduced position, if you would naturally place yourself on the upper half or the lower half.

I think if it was me, I'd probably place myself on the lower half, with the intention of climbing upward to explore, rather than delving lower to explore. Maybe that's because I'm not an explorer, and see possibilities in the sky, and inhospitabilities below.

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-__-zero-__- t1_jeg476q wrote

Reply to comment by ProfMonkey07 in 20 years jail by SuperLitchi3000

That's what I'm saying. How do you track and / or inforce the no VPN thing? Our government isn't really known for being "tech savvy." I don't think they'll be able to truly inforce it imo. Plus, stuff like this gets challenged and revoked afterward due to constructional rights conflict with said act

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Parodoticus t1_jeg46tp wrote

Reply to Just my two cents by [deleted]

Your understanding of what's actually happening is profoundly lacking. The human brain's parallel networking supports something that might very well be impossible in a computer, that being subjectivity. But the whole horrifying discovery of the recent AI explosion is that this subjectivity is an arbitrary byproduct of evolution that is not required in any way to produce a mind every bit as capable as that of man and even exceeding it. This marvelous soul of ours, this subjectivity we wield behind our eyes, this 'semina Prometheae', the seeds of Promethean fire invested to us: the new discovery is that it's fucking meaningless. It doesn't do anything. It's just an evolutionary accident that isn't used for anything (kind of like how hiccups are just an evolutionary accident, they go along with some other thing necessary to support our biological systems, they are not themselves used to do anything) and you can take it out of the system entirely and nothing changes about the functioning of cognition- at all. It is worth nothing, whatsoever. Not only does it not have any existential meaning, it doesn't even have any PRACTICAL MEANING. Hey man it doesn't make me feel good knowing this either, but the cold, hard, objective reality has just told us that is exactly the fucking case. Because minds that can do everything our own minds do are being created that don't have any of that magical subjectivity at all.

We need computers a trillion times more advanced to simulate subjectivity, but subjectivity doesn't actually do anything- and with the computers we already have, we can produce intelligence completely detached from any qualia or subjectivity. You see, THAT is the point. It requires an infinitesimal fraction of the power of biological neurons to create cognition and intelligence by themselves, without any subjectivity component. Almost all of the power of biology is wasted producing our consciousness, not producing our intelligence. Because we, humans, are already somewhat intelligent, it turned out to be possible for us to reverse engineer intelligence itself, separate it from subjectivity, and then reproduce it in silicon to create a thinking mind that has no soul, no experience, no subjectivity, but that can still write a symphony, communicate in language, and do literally everything that we can do; including forming unique personalities, theory of mind, and intrinsic motivations; independent thought- the whole shabang.. Soon these new silicon minds will not only match us, but best us even in those domains in which we were most proud, like art, like music. And yet these have no consciousness, no subjectivity. They have thought though, cognition, and intelligence. They have a mind with no soul. They are golems, they are shoggoth, and the world is always inherited by them once they are created.

I bet everything I own that you will admit what I just said is true in less than 18 months, because that is how long man has left at the top of the food chain. I get sick of dealing with people drunk on their delusional copium, refusing to accept AI is here despite it passing every single conceivable test we have thought to give for intelligence and independent thought. It's obvious what it is, self-imposed delusion because the idea of being supplanted as the universe's most intelligent being is just that repulsive to a lot of people. I for one welcome it if it means I don't ever have to have another meaningless debate with somebody on something that's already over and done with.

Essentially: in order for evolution to produce intelligence,- because evolution is blind, deaf, and dumb,- Nature had to begin with a weird mutant fish tadpole thing that accidentally spawned with a clump of its nerve cells on the outside of its fuckin' head or something. When that little deformed dingus then bumped into something, the cells fired and jerked it out of the way, gave it a little micro seizure that ended up saving it from lemming-ing itself to death like all of its forbears: yeah, it was "intelligent". So that locked evolution into producing intelligence in this roundabout way, namely by developing the nervous system. These kind of primordial reflexes get filtered through multiple layers of brain tissue, all the way up to the human neocortex, each time becoming more and more tightly interconnective, supporting more and more complex behavior- more intelligence, which lends itself to more successful rounds of passing our genome on. So greater intelligence going along with greater subjectivity, with deepened internal experience: that was just an accident. And not even a happy accident, just a stupid one. We have essentially proven that now. And now- now we can create this intelligence in a much better, less roundabout way- we can create intelligence, we can create entire minds that are not burdened with supporting this purposeless 'experience' thing. Indeed, we cannot simulate experience and subjectivity even if we pooled all the computing resources on earth with present technology- but that's meaningless because subjectivity is not required to produce intelligence and cognition, which these new AIs are doing with the smallest fraction of the resources demanded by a nervous system, given the fact that 99 percent of that nervous system's resources are devoted to 'computing' things that don't have any impact on the mind and intelligence and thought. We found a way to cut that whole 99 percent bullshit out of the picture.

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darthmeck t1_jeg46cc wrote

Reply to [D][N] LAION Launches Petition to Establish an International Publicly Funded Supercomputing Facility for Open Source Large-scale AI Research and its Safety by stringShuffle

I don’t know how they’d go about doing this but there need to be provisions that it can never become a for-profit agency. OpenAI gained traction by doing cutting-edge research and touting it as open to the public (or at least researchers) and then pulled the rug out from under everyone when they struck gold. In case the LAION discovers a new architecture that dwarfs the capability of LLMs, they should never be able to say “ok time to start a company and mint billions now!”.

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spookyskost t1_jeg44pj wrote

Reply to comment by Th0m45D4v15 in TIL In the West the largest meal of the day has historically been eaten at midday. It was not until Napoleon's empire there was the "abominable habit of dining as late as seven in the evening" as British travelers reported. The British adopted later dinners by 1850 from changes in work schedules. by jamescookenotthatone

Oh yeah, supposedly during the medieval ages it wasn’t uncommon to wake up and be up for a couple hours during the night before going back to bed. It was called Two Sleeps. Here’s a BBC article on it: https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20220107-the-lost-medieval-habit-of-biphasic-sleep

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