The big difference is durability.

If you wear out the Lodge, upgrade.

I noticed something on here a bit ago, a link to a place in the UK that curated BIFL items with a lifetime warranty. There was another in the states I can't remember but want to use, hopefully someone will comment

Mine are 10.

I've not bothered to keep them shiny looking (just use Barkeeper friend regularly though if that matters to you), but they work beautifully and are just as solid as when I bought them.

For that frequency, I'd probably get one. I use mine less frequently, but I like it a lot. Especially for kneading. The only downside is that it doesn't work well with small volumes.

I do have the pro model, and they are expensive. Maybe a used or refurbished one would do the trick.

We also have a smaller hand mixer we use probably just as often (if I'm being honest).

Did a deep dive into research a couple of weeks ago and the overwhelming evidence points to Tramontina being a significantly better value than All Clad, almost always ranking par or a hair below -- for half (or less than half) the price. Just make sure you always buy the "made in Brazil" sets and not the ones made in China.

Bought a 12 piece Tramontina set as a result. Only got it a few days ago but it was $300 CAD very well spent, IMO.

100 items are made 80 of them break within five years 10 more within ten years 8 more within twenty years

Now there are two out of one hundred that are still working today, the person who owns one posts about how high quality and long lasting it is. It isn't, it's just lasted longer.

Survivors bias generally correlates to like, old people saying "back in my day nobody died of XYZ" because they didn't know anyone who died of it, that meant it didn't exist" etc,.

But it generally reders to, in this context, something made that just happened to last forever but it was an outlier, being praised as if it was the standard.

Exactly. I expect, with all things, to spend 4x as much, but receive 10x the reliability and quality. Buying brands is always stupid, look at red wing they were hyped in here for years and now the quality is terrible because they couldn't keep up with demands and pricing.

Meanwhile some leather worker and cobbler in fucking Nevada or something, are putting out $500 boots that will last your life if you properly care for them, but without people talking about them they won't get any business.

Same thing happened in a few clothing specific subs where once it got bigger and the folks who put in hours of research were hidden by low-effort content being 100x more prevalent, they stopped and the quality just got worse.

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Imagine being angry but also wrong when trying to insult someone. That's low-key hilarious, do you do shows nationwide or are you just starting your comedy career?

You say overly engineered and high quality shouldn't be a metric then give examples of poorly engineered low quality products. Plus, boots last a long fucking time if you take care of them. Are you rotating your pairs and taking care of the leather? You can't wear a boot several days in a row and expect it to last, just rotating through even one other pair and making sure the other pair can dry out properly after use can extend the life dramatically in many cases.

You're the only one having meaningless emotions in these comments chief lol. Neither of us have done correlational studies on warranties and quality/durability so this is bound to go on forever, I'm down if you're down ;)

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Over-engineered, high quality materials, and a good reputation from the company . . ? This isn't rocket science it's going "oh the thin jackets being sold at Walmart are terrible quality, here's a jacket that uses actual high grade leather or waxed canvas from a company with great reviews and the stitching is 2-4x more than standard".

Like it is possible to tell a quality item from a poor item

Dude all I'm saying is that it CAN indicate quality, that's it.

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That's actually hilarious. I've used the same cups my grandparents have and cups I've bought for 50¢ ten years ago. cups have never been a "is it BIFL?" item to me. Don't fucking freeze them or drop them often and they'll last forever.

Hell I think I have those "limited edition" movie theater cups going back to The Phantom Menace, that still work.

You must be Italian.

That’s fair! I mean it is literally that. Can’t knock it. But does annoy me. But entertains me as well so I haven’t left lol.

That’s a very generously high number

Tbf it's Anti work not "reasonable requests only" or something. If anything they should double down ironically

I think acknowledging that most cast iron is BIFL, and that branding maybe doesn't matter very much, sets a good tone for the sub. What if someone really likes the styling of that specific pan? I'm not going to pretend it is going to break just because the name behind the pan is Martha Stewart lol

Mauviel stainless M’Cook line or of course, their copper line. Both amazing and heirloom type of stuff. We have their stainless stuff in our kitchen and it’s battleship quality. Staub for any and all things enameled cast iron. I have their XL Dutch oven and use it for Sunday sauces, roasts and everything in between. My absolute favorite piece of cookware.

>redwing circle jerk

my new favourite band

What do you mean by survivor's bias?

If you're baking that much I would for sure recommend a kitchen aid. It makes things so much easier. My wife got one awhile back and that thing is an absolute monster of machine.