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urbanevol t1_itz8404 wrote

Unfortunately ouor legal system does not take domestic violence very seriously until someone (usually a woman) ends up dead or seriously hurt. The protections for victims are rather weak, even with restraining orders and the like.

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AdHistorical7107 OP t1_itzicid wrote

Well that needs to change, doesn't it?

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GoPikachuGo1 t1_iu07tjz wrote

Tough on crime isn't the answer. Nor is locking people in cages.

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AdHistorical7107 OP t1_iu08twy wrote

Nor is letting someone violating a protective order 3x out to potentially kill or harm their victim more.....

Sorry this doesn't fly with me. Domestic abuse is not good, and if it involves kids, who knows if this will turn into the next Jennifer dulos....

Bet you forgot about that one.....

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GoPikachuGo1 t1_iu0989j wrote

Prison isn't the answer. Counseling, mental health care and social equity improvement is.

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MissScarlettRKD t1_iu0aw2t wrote

Would you be saying counseling if he was doing it to your daughter? And repeatedly? I highly doubt it.

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AdHistorical7107 OP t1_iu09i6d wrote

After first time, perhaps. But now you are endangering the safety of the victim and the children. This is the mindset that has lead us to where we are today.

Your idea does not work.

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GoPikachuGo1 t1_iu09rvk wrote

My idea has never been tried.

Your idea of "lock them up" has..and THAT doesn't work.

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AdHistorical7107 OP t1_iu0axcv wrote

Isnt the leniency on juvenile offenders a result of ideas like yours? And hasnt that amounted more crime by juveniles? So much so, Lamont and legislators had to pass a law making repeat offenders subject to stricter punishment?

Seems my idea has worked better than yours in the past.

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GoPikachuGo1 t1_iu0boga wrote

Leniency on juveniles isn't the cause of more crime. Social inequality is, along with systemic racism and failures in our education system.

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AdHistorical7107 OP t1_iu0bvbe wrote

And here we go.......

Push your propaganda elsewhere.

Let the adults care for the victims of domestic abuse. Now sit down....

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wfd363 t1_iu0e38n wrote

You opened the floor to discussion. Deal with the consequences by the other commenters

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AdHistorical7107 OP t1_iu0eis7 wrote

Yes discussion on domestic abuse, and what sort of consequences there are for it. If a commenter is going to hijack to push crap on social inequality and systemic racism, I will push back. It is irrelevant to this case, and I wont entertain that nonsense here. They can start another thread if they choose.

You can take a seat too...

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wfd363 t1_iu0f2g5 wrote

“You can take a seat too” welcome to the internet kiddo… learn to deal with opinions you don’t like or remove yourself for your own mental health. Trust me… it really isn’t a great place to be if you’re not mentally right.

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AdHistorical7107 OP t1_iu0fnm2 wrote

I just did deal with the opinion. I said sit down. Now sit down. Let the adults handle this. Dont like it, scroll on.... I am sure there are other posts you can attempt to hijack with the systemic racism bullshit that may make more sense (like the dropping test scores in CT schools)....

Peace...

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wfd363 t1_iu0l00d wrote

I have said nothing racist so do not mistake me as such… if you care to be correct all I said was “ deal with other peoples opinions” without being a massive dickhead like you currently are to me… so my peace has been said. I’m done here lmao

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maybe_little_pinch t1_iu1puo5 wrote

So..... Yeah it has been. I have actually been the victim of DV. My brother attacked me and my dad. As a result he was mandated to go into counseling and take anger management classes. This is actually fairly standard in DV cases.

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interiorcrocodemon t1_iu0cpvj wrote

You're missing the point. INTERVENING to protect victims is the first line of action.

PREVENTION.

They aren't even doing that. What happens after isn't even important if we aren't protecting victims in the first place.

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ShockSMH t1_iu0vzg5 wrote

Oh it takes domestic issues seriously. It just costs money for law enforcement to focus on what might happen instead of what did happen.

There are so many "did happen"s, and not enough resources.

I had my car broken into once. Window shattered, stereo stolen. Called the police in Waterbury and they laughed at me like "What do you want us to do about it?"

They didn't have the time to answer my phone call! Let alone dust my dashboard for prints and search for a match, etc.

Over 90% of crimes don't even see a trial.

I used to naively imagine that the law is the law, and with crime comes punishment. But the fact is, justice is expensive, and as a country, we can't afford it.

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CTrandomdude t1_iu2bush wrote

That’s bullshit. The problem with domestic cases is they are hard to prove. You have many “victims” that are unreliable, addicted, lie, and change their stories. Use the courts to help in custody disputes or to get favor in a divorce.

You have many cases where the husband gets arrested one week and the wife arrested the next.

These types of cases are quite common for the police and courts. When you get one in a thousand that end up as serious.

The problem is many grown adults are by in large dysfunctional. Then we ask the courts to somehow fix idiots overnight.

I think CT does fairly well in dealing with these cases and nothing needs any drastic changes.

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giant_toad42 t1_itzjwna wrote

It's not taken seriously becuase people lie.

People who lie about DV should be liable for punative damages.

People who experience DV should be taken very seriously and get real results.

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AdHistorical7107 OP t1_itzomq5 wrote

Lied three times? No. There is a problem here....

Or do you want to wait until the victim dies to address it?

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giant_toad42 t1_itzq7hg wrote

You ever experienced DV? I saw it as a kid. I've also seen people lie about it.

Why did my mother experience what she did? Because liars get away with lying.

The reason victims of DV are not taken care of is because liars are not taken care of.

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AdHistorical7107 OP t1_itzrk86 wrote

Ah. You mean the perp lies. Fortunately I have not witnessed firsthand. I did have a friend who went through it. Hence why this pisses me off

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HappyLittleRadishes t1_iu03cm4 wrote

Your mother experienced what she did because your father is a piece of shit that deserves to be hauled away by the cops.

Attributing the fault of domestic violence to liars rather that the scum abusing their spouses is fucked up.

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giant_toad42 t1_iu0jfzn wrote

She experienced what she did because abusers don't get punishment because "she might be lying". I agree with you too - that my ex-father is a piece of shit. I hate the guy - and everyone should hate the guy.

I'm blaming the police and liars for making the police hesitant to believe victims. No woman should suffer an abuser. Ever.

Yes. Blaming people who cry wolf (usually in divorce proceedings) for inactivity on the count of law enforcement- that is a very valid call.

DV should always be taken very seriously. It should be acted on harshly. There should be no question in the minds of law enforcement on whether or not it happened.

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Jakmike t1_itzyid7 wrote

You and me are in the same boat there, 15 years worth before mom got sick of it and left with me, and the 2 younger siblings, 4 year old sister, and little brother 8 years younger than me. I was 18-19 when we all left.

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Jawaka99 t1_itzkn5d wrote

Our legal system doesn't take any crime seriously. They don't want to charge people and make them felons so they can continue to vote Democrat.

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Raddatatta t1_itzoa1i wrote

Yeah that's why we have the most prisoners per capita in the world.

That's not to say there aren't crimes we need to take more seriously, or are often problematic to prove and therefore don't get punished often. But the idea that we don't want to charge anyone with a felony is ridiculous when our prisons are full.

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Jawaka99 t1_iu00yac wrote

Yet we're closing prisons

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Raddatatta t1_iu01s8q wrote

Is that a bad thing? We lock up an insane number of people. Almost half of our prisoners are there for drug related offenses. Not to mention it costs $40k a year per person in addition to them not paying taxes and having a lifelong reduced earning potential.

I'm certainly not saying we should let dangerous and violent people go free. But our prisons should have a purpose of releasing people who don't come back to prison and they fail miserably at that. I'd much prefer we had far fewer prisons.

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Jawaka99 t1_iu1fs6f wrote

This isn't about drug related arrests though. That said if a person commits a more serious crime while high on drugs then they still need to be held responsible.

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Raddatatta t1_iu1gjtl wrote

If you're talking about people in prison it is about drugs. That's about 40% of the prisoners is drug related crimes. And yes obviously being high isn't an excuse for another crime. Not sure why you thought I was implying otherwise?

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Jawaka99 t1_iu1v3eh wrote

I'm just saying that I agree with you that people shouldn't be in jail just because of a drug charge. Though I'd suspect that many are cases of 3rd strikes where the third was a drug offense but in these cases its not just because of the drug offense, its just the drug offense that was the tipping point.

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Raddatatta t1_iu1vmde wrote

There are some. But there are also many where people commit other crimes because of drug related debt or money problems that are indirectly drug caused.

But I'd certainly be happy to see 40% of prisons close right there by getting those people out. And if we improved recidivism down from like 70% where it is for some crimes that would be great to see general crime going down too. I don't want fewer people in prison because they are getting away with doing bad things. But I'd certainly welcome a lot more prisons closing because of more reasonable laws with respect to drugs and making prisons actually try to get people to not commit more crimes and come back.

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