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CTHistory42 OP t1_j567h9m wrote

Reply to comment by maxanderson350 in "Native Land Digital" is an indigenous-led, Canadian-based non-profit group seeking to raise awareness of where original Native American tribes owned property. They admit that this is a work in progress, not perfect, and seek corrections. Thought the CT map (with some NY) was quite interesting. by CTHistory42

Your Native American historical knowledge is far superior to mine. You're right about the use of the word "original". But it's always interesting to see how r/Connecticut will respond. There are some very talented/knowledgeable folks on this site

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CTHistory42 OP t1_j5674ka wrote

Reply to comment by xtermin8r69 in "Native Land Digital" is an indigenous-led, Canadian-based non-profit group seeking to raise awareness of where original Native American tribes owned property. They admit that this is a work in progress, not perfect, and seek corrections. Thought the CT map (with some NY) was quite interesting. by CTHistory42

It's straight off the website of the project team - so, unless they inserted it as a joke, I think we're talking about a real tribe

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Squadbeezy t1_j562og2 wrote

Reply to "Native Land Digital" is an indigenous-led, Canadian-based non-profit group seeking to raise awareness of where original Native American tribes owned property. They admit that this is a work in progress, not perfect, and seek corrections. Thought the CT map (with some NY) was quite interesting. by CTHistory42

“Owned property” might be the incorrect terminology, just to keep this in line with the spirit of this project. Maybe, “tribes who lived for time immemorial”?

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xtermin8r69 t1_j55y76o wrote

Reply to "Native Land Digital" is an indigenous-led, Canadian-based non-profit group seeking to raise awareness of where original Native American tribes owned property. They admit that this is a work in progress, not perfect, and seek corrections. Thought the CT map (with some NY) was quite interesting. by CTHistory42

Wait a second. Is podunk in there as a joke or was there really a podunk tribe and were they considered insignificant? Lol

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Whaddaulookinat t1_j55tyjb wrote

Reply to comment by Independent_Source97 in "Native Land Digital" is an indigenous-led, Canadian-based non-profit group seeking to raise awareness of where original Native American tribes owned property. They admit that this is a work in progress, not perfect, and seek corrections. Thought the CT map (with some NY) was quite interesting. by CTHistory42

There do seem to be outposts of Algonquin settlers in the New England/NYS area that probably arrived only a century or two before European contact... But the numbers may be fairly small and likely would've had more political contact with surrounding tribes.

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smurphy8536 t1_j55sskv wrote

Reply to comment by Sweaty_Conclusion_80 in "Native Land Digital" is an indigenous-led, Canadian-based non-profit group seeking to raise awareness of where original Native American tribes owned property. They admit that this is a work in progress, not perfect, and seek corrections. Thought the CT map (with some NY) was quite interesting. by CTHistory42

Probably why they say in the title that it’s a work in progress seeking more information and corrections.

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maxanderson350 t1_j55oj2q wrote

Reply to comment by CTHistory42 in "Native Land Digital" is an indigenous-led, Canadian-based non-profit group seeking to raise awareness of where original Native American tribes owned property. They admit that this is a work in progress, not perfect, and seek corrections. Thought the CT map (with some NY) was quite interesting. by CTHistory42

Thank you very much for sharing the link. A few things I noticed on the website that I found interesting:

  1. Europe, Asia, and the Middle East are more or less empty of indigenous peoples. I found that particularly odd because those are the parts of the world historians know the most about due to extensive records and archeological finds.
  2. From a quick review of CT tribes, it does appear that this is a map not of the "original" peoples of Connecticut but rather the people who the European settlers found. I consider "original" misleading because, for example, while the Tunxis were found living along the Farmington River by Europeans in the early 1600s, there is no basis to believe (and seems quite far-fetched to suggest) that the Tunxis were in fact the "original" people of that land. Simply put, the idea that the land did not change hands over thousands of years is hard to believe.
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Whaddaulookinat t1_j55n9yb wrote

Reply to "Native Land Digital" is an indigenous-led, Canadian-based non-profit group seeking to raise awareness of where original Native American tribes owned property. They admit that this is a work in progress, not perfect, and seek corrections. Thought the CT map (with some NY) was quite interesting. by CTHistory42

"Munsee Lenape"? Oh boy that'll rile up the usual suspects 😂😂

For those unaware: The lumping of Munsee and Lenape is, frankly, super controversial and may be post contact mythology/whisper campaign to delegitimize Lenape claims by some states and other tribes. Or could be absolutely true. Or somewhere in between. Honestly worth a read into it, it gets amazingly petty.

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Independent_Source97 t1_j55mxzm wrote

Reply to comment by Kolzig33189 in "Native Land Digital" is an indigenous-led, Canadian-based non-profit group seeking to raise awareness of where original Native American tribes owned property. They admit that this is a work in progress, not perfect, and seek corrections. Thought the CT map (with some NY) was quite interesting. by CTHistory42

>Algonquin

IIRC, the Algonquin tribe were mostly in Canada around Ontario. The Algonquin language and its dialects were spoken by about 24 different tribes in the northeast.

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CTHistory42 OP t1_j55mgyb wrote

Reply to comment by dabasauras-rex in "Native Land Digital" is an indigenous-led, Canadian-based non-profit group seeking to raise awareness of where original Native American tribes owned property. They admit that this is a work in progress, not perfect, and seek corrections. Thought the CT map (with some NY) was quite interesting. by CTHistory42

I agree.

Also, there are so many references to Native Americans in town names, river names, street names - you name it!

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dabasauras-rex t1_j55m0di wrote

Reply to "Native Land Digital" is an indigenous-led, Canadian-based non-profit group seeking to raise awareness of where original Native American tribes owned property. They admit that this is a work in progress, not perfect, and seek corrections. Thought the CT map (with some NY) was quite interesting. by CTHistory42

I grew up in a part of CT that still had loads of geographic references to Uncas, sachem of the Mohegan’s. I always thought that was cool. According to Wikipedia (maybe dubious source) he lived to 94-95 years old! Born in the late 1500s and died in the late 1600s. That’s so wild to me…. Like George Washington lived in the next century and he didn’t even make it to 70!

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CTHistory42 OP t1_j55lq8b wrote

Reply to comment by maxanderson350 in "Native Land Digital" is an indigenous-led, Canadian-based non-profit group seeking to raise awareness of where original Native American tribes owned property. They admit that this is a work in progress, not perfect, and seek corrections. Thought the CT map (with some NY) was quite interesting. by CTHistory42

Good questions and points all. I just posted it to get the discussion started - with the disclaimer that no one is saying it's perfect. Most of all, the group itself.

Here's the website for them: https://native-land.ca/

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dabasauras-rex t1_j55gmef wrote

Reply to comment by Kolzig33189 in "Native Land Digital" is an indigenous-led, Canadian-based non-profit group seeking to raise awareness of where original Native American tribes owned property. They admit that this is a work in progress, not perfect, and seek corrections. Thought the CT map (with some NY) was quite interesting. by CTHistory42

Are the Mohican seen in western CT Algonquin ?

Edit - seemingly yes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohicans

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maxanderson350 t1_j55ejuw wrote

Reply to comment by Kolzig33189 in "Native Land Digital" is an indigenous-led, Canadian-based non-profit group seeking to raise awareness of where original Native American tribes owned property. They admit that this is a work in progress, not perfect, and seek corrections. Thought the CT map (with some NY) was quite interesting. by CTHistory42

True; and I would suspect that there were countless tribes inhabiting Connecticut before the tribes listed on this map even came into existence.

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Kolzig33189 t1_j55cghv wrote

Reply to comment by maxanderson350 in "Native Land Digital" is an indigenous-led, Canadian-based non-profit group seeking to raise awareness of where original Native American tribes owned property. They admit that this is a work in progress, not perfect, and seek corrections. Thought the CT map (with some NY) was quite interesting. by CTHistory42

I had the same thought - Mohegans and Pequot fought over land/territory constantly and land close to their respective “borders” changed hands frequently. I’m sure the same thing happened with other neighboring tribes in nearby states, just not as familiar with their history. So it’s helpful to know when they are basing this map.

On a side note - didn’t Algonquin tribes occupy a bunch of land in New England and NY? Don’t see them on here.

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