Whatever your opinion is of the guy, I remember Thomas Sowell talking about this exact phenomenon. He was arguing against having race quotas for ivy league schools, because often academically under qualified people end up floundering and failing in the environment, and it's really sad. He argues that many of those who fail under these circumstances would have thrived in a regular, less competitive 4-year school. You can't just throw someone into an ivy league school without prep, experience, and resources for help and expect them to succeed. The pipeline for getting ahead has to start way earlier so that I person is actually prepared and qualified.

I work in a poor, rural area in the southern US. While it is only their opinion, the older black teachers I have worked with through the years have all said the problems around here started with the Economic Opportunity Act of 1964. They remember government workers going door-to-door telling the young ladies they could get this, this, and this but they couldn’t have a man of the house. This is strikingly similar to how they proceeded when creating the Chicago high-rise housing complexes. 30 years later we had NAFTA take all the manufacturing businesses from our area. Add these things together and you have a majority of the population, whether white, black, or Native American, that doesn’t value education at all because they have never seen anyone use theirs. Some of my students are already 4th generation welfare recipients and have never seen anyone in their family work a steady job.

That's completely illogical. Legacies are typically going to come from successful, well-educated backgrounds and thrive. If this documentary is any indication, it's that the schools care more about artificial diversity than scholastic competency and students like this are the ones set up to fail when they actually have to perform. And many schools have said or demonstrated exactly that, like Harvard or the entire CA state system.

You can't fix issues in primary education in college unless you're willing to let the whole point of college change from enhancing education to being a poorly-executed social experiment, and the results speak for themselves.

That's some editorializing on the part of the above poster.

I don’t think any schools run background checks on their applicants. You’re absolutely able to lie on your application to get in, just don’t be surprised when you’re packing your bags 6 weeks in because you don’t know how to learn. Which is what we saw happen here. From a school’s perspective, they get there tuition and diversity quotas so why would they care?

You still have to have high grades, test scores and extra curriculars to get in as a legacy. My friend applied to Notre Dame as a legacy (grandfather and father went there). Had a 3.8, 1400s on his SAT and was class president and played Varsity Tennis. Did not get in. I could have applied as a legacy too but had a 2.9 and would not even have had a chance. These schools don't just go "oh he's a legacy, come on in!". There's a finite number of people they take every year and there are plenty of legacies with perfect GPAs, high test scores and tons of extra curriculars to choose from.

Oh, my bad. I thought we were supposed to turn the suburbs into the slums. It's cheaper that way.

Also provides jobs to the illegal immigrants we don't want, so they can build fancier, more expensive, cheaper made houses. What a circle of life.

libertarian who wants more oversight?

pisses me off how this sort of stuff is happening all over the country with charter schools siphon money from public schools. there is so much grift in k-12 education

Not entirely true. Africville in Halifax was a segregated community that black people were forced to move to. I wouldn't be surprised if there were other major cities that had something similar in Canada. And, as for segregated schools, I remember when I was a kid hearing about the controversy of Toronto creating a school for black students, and it still exists: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/africentric-school-anniversary-1.5005262 However, at least Canadian colleges and universities don't have the same crazy acceptance policies for minorities as their American counterparts; which, as is shown in this documentary, do not set the students up for success.

Such an awful, naive understanding of history

I'm not American, but yes the US govt did horrifying shit to the natives. Canada DID have segregation though, they just got rid of it a bit earlier than the US did. Nova Scotia had a segregated school in 1983:

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/racial-segregation-of-black-people-in-canada

What makes you think your country/region of Europe may deregulate it's education sector? Honest question as I haven't heard much specifically about privatization/deregulation efforts going on in Europe, though I do know that it's an ongoing thing.

I don't get it, how is it for the sake of diversity when they're being made to look like extremely capable students regardless of race?

Is being a sociology major a bad thing?

South Hampton Institute of Technology

You're right but your government did the same stuff to your native demographic too to be fair. I'm talking about black people specifically. MLK liked Canada because we didn't have segregated black communities that your establishment exploits perpetually. The 'black' people in my neighborhood are just my neighbors and they go to the same schools as everyone else.

Did you forget to take your meds lol

You mean like how Canada 'fixed' their Boarding Schools?

> "The slums are the handiwork of a vicious system of the white society. Negros live in them, but they do not make them any more than a prisoner makes a prison".

MLK

https://youtu.be/8B4aJcP-ZCY

As a Canadian, this is driving me nuts. You guys were supposed to fix this crap generations ago and just be integrated and get rid of slums.

Sounds like excellent curriculum on how American success works.

Yes. I feel bad for the students, but now I want to know about those schools vetting processes. How much did they over look or not bother verifying for the sake of diversity.

That's true of many black students from the hood. I've been teaching in one of the worst school districts in the country, and even when we can get a kid to graduate with decent looking credentials, they very seldomly graduate from the college - and then end up saddled with debt without a degree.

It's not only that the kids don't learn the essential knowledge, they don't learn/know the essentials of persverence, have immense issues with self-confidence due to stereotype threat, don't have the social capital, don't know how to take notes or study, etc. It's all-around quite depressing.

I saw many affirmative action admissions that were on academic probation after the first semester so after that they were forced to major in black studies to avoid the inevitable

You just described the entire tax system. Siphoning money from the public with little oversight.