>your favorite country

Ah, yes. Anyone who’s critical of the narratives about Russia and the war in Ukraine must surely love Russia. Good call. Hey, remember all those “Ho Chi Minh lovers” protesting the Vietnam War? What about all those piece of shit terrorist sympathizers that objected to drone wars and CIA torture programs? What about all those scumbags who loved Iraq so much they doubted the presence of WMD and urged that we not invade Iraq? Fucking idiots getting duped by Iraqi propaganda.

These people are the worst of the worst, amirite? What kind of evildoer casts doubt on our media and government’s claims about our adversaries?

Traitors all. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

Did I ever say western press didn’t have propaganda? I said we have free range to access everything, whereas your favorite country does not. I also like how you can’t contest Putin being an authoritarian or anything about Russian news because you haven’t researched it, watched it, or understand propaganda when it’s given to you.

Who watches tv anymore

These people are absolutely oblivious. It’s incredible to watch. They seem to think that what information warfare means is that our government’s foreign adversaries lie about everything while our government and media just set the record straight with the objective truth and let the chips fall where they may. It’s a level of child-like naïveté that never ceases to amaze me.

>Russian press IS propaganda.

Yes, unlike all the mouthpieces of Western media 🤡

You couldn’t even bother to read my comment, apparently. What a bad faith interpretation. Really slaying those straw men, though.

I keep forgetting Reddit is not a place for rational discussion on anything related to foreign policy and national security issues.

Again, you’re simply proving my point. 1. In the west we are actually allowed to read whatever press we want, in Russia they cannot. 2. We actually elect our presidents/leaders and are therefore, by definition, not totalitarian. 3. Russian press IS propaganda. Which, if you had bothered to research anything, would find to be the case.

Half of my family lives in Russia. I’m not surprised. Opposition to the government doesn’t matter if it literally cannot be broadcast. You’re not proving any point by saying the people don’t agree. So what? It can’t be shown. What happened to nemtsov? Navalny? The skripals? Cmon dude. Think for a second. Putin is one of the biggest deniers of free press on earth, anything that is said on Russian media IS propaganda or controlled opposition, it’s that simple.

Russia’s situation is worse in general, but I don’t see any substantial deviation from the Washington consensus in the mainstream when it comes to whatever the crucial foreign policy topic of the day is. Anything that does deviate is labeled foreign propaganda, and anyone that challenges the narrative - no matter how well credentialed - become persona non grata (Stephen F. Cohen and John Mearsheimer come to mind, but this goes back at least all the way to people like Phil Donahue getting his show cancelled by NBC executives specifically because of his opposition to the Iraq War).

Labeling anything that deviates from the views expressed by the government as “foreign propaganda” is the oldest authoritarian trick in the book, and it’s the norm here.

Whether by pure coincidence or not, the “mainstream” media consensus is the mainstream Washington consensus. You’re not getting objective reporting from them anymore than you could expect to get it from the State Department of intelligence community. You’re getting the American perspective.

-9 votes. That already says a lot.

You might be surprised that not everyone who is Russian agrees 100% with Russian gov.

And not everyone who opposes to Russian Gov has the divine grace of legitimacy around them. But unfortunately, that is what we are bound to read/watch as western.

This. A lot of people forget that George W. Bush once called Putin "trustworthy" at the beginning of his term.

Specifically, he said:

>“I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy,” Bush said. “I was able to get a sense of his soul.”

Dude their point of view IS Russian propaganda. The only press allowed in Russia is literal kremlin approved news stories and misinformation. Then 1-2 “controlled opposition” stations.

I hope it's a good documentary. Generally everything is anti-Russia.

It's so annoying that I can't get to see or be presented to their point of view and arguments because, God forbids, "Russia propaganda".

It's pretty good. It sums up how they (along with many others) were duped by Putin. It didn't seem like it was ~54 minutes, it felt much shorter, but I don't know why.

Read that book a few years ago, definitely recommend. His TED talks are a good entry into his writings.

Okay so, the context you're missing in your post is that soldiers literally go through basic to break down their own decision making process, and then they're put into situations to further break it down.

You're a soldier, you don't think, you don't ask questions, you do what you're told and you stay alive. You start being an independent free spirit, you die.

Its always so wild to me when anyone talks about how underfunded the military is. The complaint is always, we're spending so much money on the military, we have none for social services.

Then I realize, well where's all the money going? Taxes -> Government -> Military -> Pockets of those rich dudes who make giant war machines.

Just like the hospitals Taxes -> Government -> Hospitals -> Pockets of those rich dudes who own the hospitals.

Like this entire fucking system is designed to funnel money from everyone into the hands of the few. We've come full circle right back around to feudalism.

Lmao. China's not a super power and never will be.

If people are interested in Abu Ghraib, the book “Monstering” is worth a read.

I came here for comments about "Lucifer Effect by Dr.Philip Zimbardo. In his book he goes into great detail about attrocities done in the prison and also systematic evils that came into play. No metions about this. None. Shame...

Yes, Chinese bery mysterious and inscrutable, bery strategic and good at math.

(twirls fu-manchu moustache)

You're not a smart fella are ya?
You don't have to bother to answer, dunce ass fuckwad... It'll do you no good.
Have a shitty day, pal.

So I shouldn’t judge rapists and murderers until I have done those deeds myself?

US spends more money on its war machine than then next 20 Countries combined, a open war with the US would be devastating to china and they know it.

That doesn’t mean anything, in any way shape, or form. There is right, and there is wrong. You don’t need god to tell you that, but you might need the delusion that one exists to justify what you did to another conscious being (in your own brain, you may be able to trick yourself of this using therapy & drugs).

The only way I’d be able to justify it is that I was tricked, I was duped. No other way around it, that’s a fucking brick wall.