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zgembo1337 t1_j0tqcaw wrote

>The amount of immediate and long term suffering in everything the US touches is immeasurable.

Yep... Most of the world already hates the US (and many americans aren't aware of that), while at the same time, they share propaganda, how their soldiers are "fighting for american freedom" by killing people half a planet away.

Now, someone else is also waging a war, and we have a bunch of propaganda, flags in profiles, sanctions, and general hate, while ignoring that US (and quite a few other countries) are occupying other sovereign countries too, right now.

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Soltronus t1_j0toii4 wrote

It took me a long time to come to terms with my actions in Iraq. I was just a kid, just a cog in a larger machine, sure; but I still made decisions that cost innocent people their livelihoods and indecisions that cost them their lives.

We lost our minds as a country after the towers fell, desperate for someone to blame. The Saudis were too economically important to us, but Iraq was a prime target for unwarranted aggression.

Like a bully on a playground who slugs the first person he sees after getting sucker-punched, Western militaries descended on Iraq and we caused nothing but chaos, and misery, destruction, and death.

I had no idea about the complex division of ethnicities and faiths there. Just a haphazard division of ink on a map that separated people of differing cultures thousands of years old, stuffed them into a box and called it "Iraq." We arrived with tanks, and guns, and bombs, and shitty, sweaty cans as just another group of imperialists to tell these people how to live their lives, in their homes, on their land.

I wish we had been a better people. I wish we were better people. I wish that I had been better. I wish that I was better.

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CloudJGuardian t1_j0tkhaj wrote

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CloudJGuardian t1_j0tkbho wrote

Iraq would have been better off without saddam in general.

But I’m 100% happy he is gone, considering he killed several of my family members as well as torture my father to the point of needing neurosurgery years after.

Considering the million of people dead or tortured over the years, he should never have been put into power by western nations in the first place. Iraq has been messed around with several times, but they’re 100% in a bette place now then with saddam. Let’s just hope western nations stay out of the middle east and don’t repeat their mistakes.

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WikiSummarizerBot t1_j0tdfqz wrote

Iraq and weapons of mass destruction

>Iraq actively researched and later employed weapons of mass destruction (WMD) from 1962 to 1991, when it destroyed its chemical weapons stockpile and halted its biological and nuclear weapon programs as required by the United Nations Security Council. The fifth president of Iraq, Saddam Hussein, was internationally condemned for his use of chemical weapons during the 1980s campaign against Iranian and Kurdish civilians during and after the Iran–Iraq War. In the 1980s, Saddam pursued an extensive biological weapons program and a nuclear weapons program, though no nuclear bomb was built.

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nova9001 t1_j0tdeu3 wrote

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

>A year later, the United States Senate officially released the Senate Report of Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq which concluded that many of the Bush Administration's pre-war statements about Iraqi WMD were misleading and not supported by the underlying intelligence. United States–led inspections later found that Iraq had earlier ceased active WMD production and stockpiling; the war was called by many, including 2008 Republican presidential nominee John McCain, a "mistake".[1]

WMDs my ass.

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sds0918 t1_j0tawfj wrote

It 100% would have been better if he stayed. The amount of immediate and long term suffering in everything the US touches is immeasurable. The deaths, displacements, destruction of infrastructure, contamination of the echo systems and subsequent poisoning of local populations, following destabilization, and then usually crippling genocidal sanctions.

Of course Iraq would have been better off, and so would have countless other countries that the US has ravaged.

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TinKicker t1_j0t9lxc wrote

This always irks me.

Iraq, in fact, possessed WMDs. (Various blister and nerve gas agents). They produced these agents in large quantities…and used them on both Iran and their own Kurdish populations. All of this is well documented.

An Iraqi general later admitted to being one of the leaders responsible for smuggling large quantities of these agents out of the country. Syria being one of those destinations.

Was lumping Iraq into the GWOT wise? Probably not.

But to say they didn’t produce/possess WMDs is demonstrably false.

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Extra-Ad-1447 t1_j0siz7m wrote

Thats a big claim, even some iraqi shias will tell you it was better under saddam. And no one said so called isis are moderate. Cant tell if you're being sarcastic or just an ignorant outsider.

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Mustafaskyrim t1_j0rsfvg wrote

It sucks to see these comments laughing or meme(ing) the war on my country while we lived through hell because of what happened( I have no idea if it was better if Saddam stayed) but we grow up feeling helpless in this world that have abandoned us when we needed it the most (revolution 2019)

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