Submitted by KJ6BWB t3_yhn4ql in Futurology
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FuturologyBot t1_iuerdjc wrote
The following submission statement was provided by /u/KJ6BWB:
> According to the team, phosphorus allows the iron and nickel atoms to move faster, enabling them to form the necessary ordered stacking without waiting for millions of years. They were able to accelerate tetrataenite formation by between 11 and 15 orders of magnitude by mixing iron, nickel, and phosphorus in the right quantities. This meant the material was able to form over a few seconds in a simple casting.
> “What was so astonishing was that no special treatment was needed. We just melted the alloy, poured it into a mold, and we had tetrataenite,” says Greer. “The previous view in the field was that you couldn’t get tetrataenite unless you did something extreme, because otherwise, you’d have to wait millions of years for it to form. This result represents a total change in how we think about this material.”
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not_a_droid t1_iuewx3j wrote
Humans are cockroaches, we don’t die, we just multiply
tohon123 t1_iuexjfl wrote
always have been
not_a_droid t1_iuey47f wrote
at least until that one day
HandMikePens t1_iuf2ioz wrote
magnets?! again?! so unyielding with their mysteries
GMElonMusk t1_iufdu7g wrote
Magnets, How do they work?
PandaCommando69 t1_iufkvmy wrote
This is great --hopefully their next research stages pan out.
BophadeezgamesYT t1_iufxv4o wrote
Magnets more like magic am I right?
lanzadamanza t1_iug170b wrote
Nope. It’s miracles.
Sometimes_Stutters t1_iug667x wrote
Fun fact- “Rare Earth” materials are not at all rare. They are actually very common in the earths crust.
KJ6BWB OP t1_iug7xur wrote
Very common, they just require high technology to get to and China controls most of the available deposits we know of.
Woooooooo8shfire t1_iugb5av wrote
So you you get what is basically potassium-doped tetrataenite? I want to know more about what they made.
Rough_Idle t1_iugbyw0 wrote
The headline alone was enough to make me wonder how big a brick this news is dropping in certain Chinese trade ministries
Alex_2259 t1_iugjho0 wrote
Doesn't bode well for the future of humanity.
I forgot, this sub is filled with China worshipping bots. Even if they're humans that's a bot mindset
No-Owl9201 t1_iugki6c wrote
Always scientific knowledge progress on batteries!
I wonder in the past if we had spent a tenth of what was spent on oil exploration, on developing batteries, how different a planet we would have now.
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joaopeniche t1_iugo3q1 wrote
Interesting I saw a documentary were they went there with a laser train
13Wayfarer t1_iugqk9s wrote
Ring of fire in Ontario
84121629 t1_iugs0c3 wrote
Unless google is lying to me, tetrataenite is only found in meteorites.
4t0mik t1_iugt8q5 wrote
I'm a betting Russia has a lot too.
DecentChanceOfLousy t1_iugw72t wrote
Before this research, yes. But tetrataenite isn't a rare earth metal, rather it's a substitute for rare earth metals.
Finnleyy t1_iugxctu wrote
Pretty interesting
Berkamin t1_iugyqom wrote
Besides this, there's also "clean earth magnets" that involve nothing but iron and nitrogen:
These magnets are allegedly more powerful than rare earth magnets, but neither of the ingredients that go into them are rare.
cchiu23 t1_iugzjct wrote
They're also experts in refining them
cchiu23 t1_iugzple wrote
China produces the most phosphorus too lol
akusokuZAN t1_iuh0qr0 wrote
Pot-dope. The made pot-dope.
akusokuZAN t1_iuh0rqp wrote
They already said magnets you're being rendundnant
akusokuZAN t1_iuh0sz9 wrote
Wasn't it a YouTube short?
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MrDuhVinci t1_iuhc12r wrote
Every article you read about technology here is likely very tentative and far from proven for real-world usage. No doubt a 'few' Chinese Scientists will be ordered to investigate its potential as a practical alternative to parts of their 'rare-materials' industry... but they won't be running around in a panic until it becomes even a modest possibility.
captain_chocolate t1_iuhffi9 wrote
"“Rare earth” is a misleading term that is sort of an inside joke among organic chemistry aficionados. It refers to a group of elements on the periodic table. “Noble gases” is another term that has little meaning except to organic chemists. "
Funny he said it was an inside joke. I studied inorganic chemistry in grad school, and the organic chemists had no use for the rare earths or noble gases. C, N, O, S, occasionally a halogen, and Mg for catalysis. That's about it.
And what the hell is an "organic chemistry aficionados"? People who stand around at dinner parties with a wine spritzer saying "Oh dear, have seen the dreadful state of the Claisen condensation these days? Makes me yearn for the days when a good Diels–Alder reaction was enough to satisfy the mind."
WhooshThereHeGoes t1_iuhhx55 wrote
Don't look up.
Baggytrousers27 t1_iuhme5g wrote
Don't they react with humidity to form ammonia?
Berkamin t1_iuhp6wg wrote
You mean these magnets? I honestly don't know. I only know that they're really strong and don't contain rare elements.
Baggytrousers27 t1_iuhqary wrote
Iron Nitride makes for great ferrofluid but probably not the best for something like a smartphone.
HandMikePens t1_iuhqrqx wrote
That’s capacitors, my bad, that’s supposed to be on the “magic” thread. It’s a njatc ibew joke
Bewaretheicespiders t1_iuhzo76 wrote
Pauli's exclusion principle.
ElJamoquio t1_iui58q2 wrote
> they just require high technology to get to
mmm, they just create 3000 lbs of toxic waste per EV-traction-motor built.
It's not that high tech, it's just toxic.
LordElfa t1_iui7vwi wrote
That sounds Unobtainable.
lazy_phoenix t1_iuijxbb wrote
"Fucking magnets, how do they work?" -Insane clown posse
Ok-Heron-6347 t1_iuinxx7 wrote
Why is your name captain chocolate anyway
captain_chocolate t1_iuje0m2 wrote
Because Dr. Chocolate was taken.
Ok-Heron-6347 t1_iujqf1n wrote
Fair enough
KJ6BWB OP t1_iuenc72 wrote
> According to the team, phosphorus allows the iron and nickel atoms to move faster, enabling them to form the necessary ordered stacking without waiting for millions of years. They were able to accelerate tetrataenite formation by between 11 and 15 orders of magnitude by mixing iron, nickel, and phosphorus in the right quantities. This meant the material was able to form over a few seconds in a simple casting.
> “What was so astonishing was that no special treatment was needed. We just melted the alloy, poured it into a mold, and we had tetrataenite,” says Greer. “The previous view in the field was that you couldn’t get tetrataenite unless you did something extreme, because otherwise, you’d have to wait millions of years for it to form. This result represents a total change in how we think about this material.”