That one’s good

I wouldn't even mind if they were more like a normal pre-order system, where you might have to wait a few months. Waiting times of a year or more are unreasonable, though.

The group buy business model is stupid as fuck. If designers don’t believe in their set enough to sell it outright, then maybe it isn’t good enough to sell period.

Take a fucking business loan out, run your set, sell it when it’s done.

There's mechanical... and there's this :)

I know... some people just like to make shit up. (shrug).

I'm just me. Diplomacy has never been one of my strengths LOL.

Re: the other sub. It's not their behaviour in their own sub that I refer to, but their behaviour in here. There was an issue when they set up the sub, when people from there used to brigade like fuck in here. They would pounce on any newcomer's thread and tell them they would not be welcome in here unless they had an expensive board, and then use the opportunity to tell them they'd be more welcome in their sub instead. If you read their rules, you will see that their attitude is in fact so anti-elitist, it's actually elitist. One of their rules is no group buys for instance, even though some of the best budget oriented keyboards of the past year have been group buys. Inverse snobbery, which is just as bad as what they accuse people in here of doing.

I'm not suggesting you should stay away from anything. There's definitely a remit to that sub though that is not necessarily just budget keyboards. It's also redundant; The vast majority of boards posted in THIS sub, are budget oriented boards.

How many grams in, out, and seconds?

What's non meta? I've seen a lot of "budget" keyboards on here lately, do you mean 400€+ boards?

Your table made it even better.... damn beautiful.

idk man seems underlubed

Well, I guess I can't really disagree with experience. I am thinking about things more theoretically, I'm not usually that active either in this community or on reddit, so it was mostly just ideas. It seems like you're someone who's pretty well versed in both.

I am interested though in your thoughts on budgetkeebs. I look a quick look over there (as I said earlier all my keyboards are cheap so I thought it'd be interesting) and I didn't see anything that looked strange. What's up with that community and now that I'm interested in it, is it something I should stay away from?

>I definitely appreciate you and the others who regularly answer questions there

That's good to hear.

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>Like when people ask what keyboard to buy, say:
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>"That's a really hard question to answer because there are so many options. You should decide what layout you want and a budget, then come back with that information to get some options."

Seriously... done that. You still get accused of being elitist. I get accused of it constantly. Kids just don't like it when you say things they don't want to hear, and I'm sorry, most of the salt comes from people who, if you read their posts, are obviously kids. This very paragraph will be seen as elitist as well now... by kids LOL. You can't fucking win. Kids are selfish. It's a fact. I have a kid... and I used to be a kid. It's just one of those facts that is unpleasant... when you are a kid. (shrug).

I just scroll through and look for things I just supply a definitive answer to. If many others did the same, then that thread would be as useful as the admins obviously thought it would (should) be. I'm not here to be anyone's friend, or mentor. I wish I had the time, but considering how busy I am, I'm absolutely amazed I find as much time as I do in here, so when after just disseminating common sense advice and genuine help, I get accused of this this (by people who never help anyone themselves), then those people can just take a running jump; Their tiny minds cannot comprehend how uninterested I am in their childish opinions. If they are too lazy to just spend some time researching at least whether their question has recently been asked, then they can just fuck right off. this has nothing to do with being a beginner in this hobby. It has nothing to do with keyboards... It's just lazy and annoying, and crap behaviour and poor etiquette... in ANY internet forum. Saying "but I'm only a beginner" is not an excuse. A beginner at what? The internet? This is not keyboard specific. It's just about being rude and being lazy.

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>I like the idea someone else proposed of an alternative sub just for asking/answering questions,

The minute you do that, then everyone who feels even slightly aggrieved will want their own sub, and most of those people will part on bad terms because they thought they were badly done by in THIS sub. This is what happened with budgetkeebs, and now look at how they behave. Bad idea. There's a wealth of help available right here in this sub from people who have been in this game for a very long time. If you develop a breakaway sub just for beginners, only the beginners will use it. It would be like the blind leading the blind.. it would be a car crash. The thing is though, the people IN that sub probably wouldn't care.. or even know... so long as they get their answers... any answers... even bad ones.

Sometimes being pragmatic makes you sound harsh and cold, but if you dispassionately think about these issues, you'll see there's logic in there.

Release your inner Spock.

Agreed, but at least op is self reflecting by putting together the post, and giving other who may not a bit of a wake up call

looks like cream on cheesecake

Less is more.

I remember asking a while ago about some cheaper keeb stuff when I was newer to this community and this random dude got so pissed off at me in the comments and bullied me in my dms for not knowing anything about keyboards.

I love this hobby and community but some of y'all need to just sit the fuck down and stop being fuckwits, nobody appreciates that.

Hold my beer. FUCK. SHIT. PENIS. Yeah nothing. I've seen some very colourful language and to be honest, it's almost all adults in the subreddit.

I saw that last week and upvoted every question because of it.

It's like people here are actively trying to keep the hobby small. My motorcycle people are out there grabbing everyone we can get.

Nice Keyboard! What are the keycaps on the pink one?

Hey I bought one myself exact same layout. Have you been having any problems with the PCB? I got a wired PCB & it disconnects while I game, it also freaks out and opened all kinds of tabs. Hopefully, it’s just a problem with mine and it’s doesn’t become an issue with the wired PCBs.

205 g0 truly is the Nuln Oil of the kb scene...

Happens to us all at some point. Just use what's on that switch. Seriously, there's enough lube on that to almost do a whole keyboard. Just put the jar away and use what's on that switch :)

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>Scroll and move on. You or anyone doesn’t need to shit on anyone’s questions. Everyone is a beginner at one point

No... you really need to have think about what you are saying. It appears that you think in a sub with nearly 1.2 million people subscribed to it, that having everyone just ask repetitive questions that someone probably also asked no more than an hour ago is perfectly fine? That would mean that you think this sub exists for that reason... for you... It doesn't.

I bet if I scrolled through your post history, there will be little evidence of you helping anyone, yet you feel that others should help you. Bitch all you like, but I bet that is true.

I definitely appreciate you and the others who regularly answer questions there. I try when I can, but admittedly I'm not sure I have enough experience to answer a lot of questions people ask. All of my keyboards are around $100 of total parts each, so I know nothing about the higher end.

I think it would be helpful if people ask useless questions to politely inform them. That way, they don't get discouraged from lack of help and people don't have to see the same person come back and post the same question tomorrow.

Like when people ask what keyboard to buy, say:

"That's a really hard question to answer because there are so many options. You should decide what layout you want and a budget, then come back with that information to get some options."

Maybe a copy & paste so it's less painful to type out each time? I know it's not a perfect solution, but it feels really bad to scroll through and see so many unanswered comments.

Also, small sample size I know, but someone posted they didn't know which switch to buy on the same day I was typing out that big response to the other guy. I told him I needed more info and before I was even finished writing out the other post, he had more info for me and also asked me to share what I personally enjoyed. I don't think it's fair to say beginners won't come back to their post, although I know it does happen sometimes.

Some people definitely suck at answering questions, like the guy I referenced in my original post who answered someone asking how to make a $100 build with "I like holy pandas," but that doesn't mean we shouldn't give people an active place to ask questions. That being said, you're right, this is a huge subreddit and it would be really annoying for a million people to get pinged every time someone asked a question and it got some upvotes.

I don't know that there's anything wrong with a separate place to ask and answer questions, but having a daily threat that resets every day means that if someone has the same question that someone else had in the past, it can be really hard to find that answer even though it's a question that's already been asked and answered.

I like the idea someone else proposed of an alternative sub just for asking/answering questions, but obviously someone has to have the time to create and run that. I don't really have a good solution for this part of the problem, it just comes with having an open community I think.

Also, kind of a side discussion at this point, but I linked Amazon, Dangkeebs, and Akko's website. I'm assuming it was Amazon that got the post removed, but it's honestly not a bad place to buy ultra cheap keycaps imo.