Looks very cool

That’s already how it’s done. You’re literally arguing against yourself at this point.

After reading your other comments in other conversations in this thread, it's obvious you have literally no idea how all this works, and as is so common lately, you are just annoyed and angry that you can't buy these things as off the shelf, in stock products.

Group buys are what made this hobby. The alternative is to just let large companies with the capital to invest in mass production take over. That will not end well. It will kill all creativity as they seek low risk, high gain solutions, and only care about their bottom line. If you want an example of that in reality, then look no further than the "gaming" peripheral market where all the keyboards are the same, and there is little to no creativity or variety to be seen. Why do you think THAT is? Hmm? It's because the lowest risk, and highest gains are to be had by pandering to the lowest common denominator, and having an advertising budget massive enough to convince kids that that's what they really need. The quality of the products are awful as well.

So, be careful what you wish for, as you just might get it.

There is a logical solution and I stated it in my original post.

If you want a proto, do it on your own and then start a GB. Not the other way around.

I am not a partner, what are you even saying :D:D:D Nobody is. I would be a partner if I had a share if the profit and instead I am a client that takes a huge risk and a GB promoter is a person who takes all of the money (and of course puts work in design and "communication").
It's a mean thing to say to adjust my expectations. I won't ever settle for substandard.

When I said that if you ran it in your world no one would have protos before production because they’d have to use funds to buy the supplies and your response was that’s how it already is. I didn’t say be a hype boy either. You’re just frustrated that there isn’t a logical solution. Which is fair, but you’re digging a hole here.

All right, and I do go to the vendor in the end, but everybody is blurring the resposibility (vendor states that it is the group buy standard and it's up to the GB host), the GB runner says it's vendors and vendors... well they don't care because they don't have to.

I joined the scs aozora gb thinking it would come by my birthday that year.... here I am still waiting 2 years older lol.
if you haven't yet they've got a discord with updates on shipping, https://discord.gg/jUczxAmN

The contact based mx style switches feel pretty simmilar to me apart from actuation force and whether they are lubed, but compared to different technologies like optoelectronic and hall effects there is definitely a difference also there is a difference with my green alps board.

well, I explained my situation short: I'm a rubberdome user, but own a keyboard with red switches that I feel are nice but feel empty to me. Now I found a keyboard and can't decide on which switches I should get or which are better for me to be close to the rubberdome feel. Nailed it down to red or white switches, and had trouble figuring out what linear and tactile means and how big the feedback feels.

Sure, people can only help that much but, I was genuinely looking for help, not being lazy. at that point I already researched for 2 days as much as I could but there is only so much you can find online on articles. I had another keyboard as reference but no real idea how it compares to, say white switches in terms of feel and reactivity.

Excuse me, where did I state that prototypes matter? I only say that if you do prototypes and they don't meet your standards, it's on you and not on clients who attend GB. You should take the fuckup under account and add it to the deadline instead of being a hype boy that says everything will go perfectly fine.

I literally just sold it :/

But it's an Odin v2 in e-white. Keycaps are BOW CXA profile keycaps from Cannon Keys.

GMK Lux

Yeah, anyone joining a GB in 2022 or late 2021, especially when there are plenty of in stock alternatives available, should know what they are getting into, so it's hard to take the complaints very seriously - a very large portion of the GBs OP joined were these, a notable one being Dracula R2 - R1 of which was super notorious for taking forever before it even was submitted to the production queue because the designer went through like 5 rounds of colour matching

Some of the "newer" vendors responsible for the large queue volumes also are known to... not submit an order for months after GB sale ends, or to use bottom tier shipping to receive the keycaps and thus take months later to ship after customers in Europe and Asia already received them.

Dying to get the white one.

>I don’t have enough passion for this shit to make me want to design and produce anything.

So in other words, you seem to be passionately arguing about something you aren't very passionate about. (shrug). Maybe you just like arguing on the internet.

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>There are people that actually want to design sets and produce them though, and they are the ones that need to do something about it

So you are holding the designer responsible for all the things you don't like about group buys? How does that work exactly?

The more you say, the more it becomes obvious that you just don't know enough about all this to have a valid opinion.

My advice to you, is to just ignore group buys. You've still to explain how you personally would gain if they (group buys) disappeared off the face of the earth tomorrow. How would you benefit? What do you suppose would change should that come to pass? Can you explain? Why don't you just ignore them instead of (obviously) being so angry about them?

That’s interesting, and a little sad, because it discourages people from commenting—even if it is just one downvote.

I often wonder if it’s a bot or just someone so angry about the state of mechanical keyboards these days that they go in every day and downvote everything.

Yep. The only "group buy" i ever took part in was for a portable digitizer that had a 3 month lead. It had some time blowout as covid lockdowns started a month before ship so not their fault and they did their best in bad situation. Tend to avoid them myself

That's big companies, especially gaming companies for you. The only thing they care about is a bottom line.

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I feel like the “and all that” kinda encapsulates the “way more to it” part. Either way, doing it doesn’t interest me. I don’t have enough passion for this shit to make me want to design and produce anything. I don’t even want to do that for hobbies that I’m much much more invested in, so I’d never even think to waste my time with it. There are people that actually want to design sets and produce them though, and they are the ones that need to do something about it

And that’s your issue right there. In a GB you aren’t buying a product the same way you are buying an iPhone or a smoked ham.

You are instead funding the production of the end product as a (small) partner in the endeavor. Meaning you get to take part in all the ups and downs of it, that the sellers of a product goes though. You aren’t buying an already manufactured product sitting on a shelf. And you knew that quite well walking into it.

So, adjust your expectations accordingly, and the problem is solved.

Maybe next thing you can just do a T9 version. Writes like a Nokia.

Yeah, those are cool prices unfortunately shipping to EU is absurd and I would gladly buy the Grand Prix base kit. So, great for US folks but nothing like that in EU as far as I'm aware, haven't seen any GMK sets for 99 Euro.

What keycaps are on the top board?