Im foolish for disregarding that outta pocket statement in the first place & continuing to argue with him.

He lost me when he said everything in the 90s sounded the same. Seems like an edgy teenager that's just here to jerk off his favorite mainstream rapper. I can't take him seriously.

Because Nas is a real rapper and playboi Carti is a fake fuck.

This is so true. I have songs that remind me about certain points of my life. There’s a song I was obsessed with at the start of the pandemic and listening to it now reminds me of that time and how I felt.

Alright this is my last comment cos its clear you just don't know a lot about what defines a genre but are too stubborn to deal with that.

Using it "as an instrument" (which isnt even possible, because its literally an effect. You cant have autotune without something to use it on. Autotune doesnt generate a sound that didnt come from something else) it still doesn't make it a versatile genre. Hip hop traditionally doesnt even use instruments. Every other genre in the world besides electronic branches do. Thats not very versatile. This is a fundamentally ignorant point of view to have. Why do you think there isn't a single comment on this thread that agrees with you? It's all good, but its just incorrect. It has nothing to do with rap being cool or being worth listening to. It has everything to do with basic theory & music history. Go read about it. Or better, actually listen to more music.

Thats cool and all but Carti used autotune as an instrument

Autotune is just an effect, just like reverb, delay, or compression. Thats like saying "metal is different because it has distortion." Thats not what makes it different.

Dude something being lesser known has zero relevance to a binary question. You're not even worth arguing with because you just want* rap to be the most versatile because you think that makes it better somehow. Hip hop is like my #2 genre in life & i'm still smart enough to recognize it isn't because of its versatility.

Its like you're saying a grilled cheese sandwich is more a complex recipe than Pad Thai. It's just not. And then you're like "but pad thai doesnt even taste good". Like bro that shit has nothing to do with what you said.

Except you'd be wrong. They all use guitars & drums, sure. But prog rock operates in fucking wild time signatures, with sometimes multiple bridges per song, refrains, and really broad styles of guitar playing that oftentimes come from different continents.

Kraut-rock guitar playing has nothing to do with the delta southern blues guitar licks.

Stop breathing has heavy autotune and has melodic parts, not just spoken word poetry.

Not known

They're both sample based electronic instrumentals in 4/4 time within a 10-15bpm range of eachother, both with spoken word poetry & an emphasis on simple kick drum patterns & bass frequencies.

It ain't rocket science.

Good argument, Id say the same about all rock sub genres

A New Level by Pantera

Determined by Mudvayne

Walk with me in Hell by Lamb of God

Those are all I can think of off the top of my head.

Metalcore has been the most successful rock genre recently. Prog is doing good underground though. Check out Haken, Vola, Leprous, Reliqa, and Caligula's Horse, just to name a few

Yeah, actually, they do. They sound like two subgenres of the same basic thing with negligible differences.

Dr. Dooom- No Chorus

I get the feeling you're associating versatility with evaluative assessment. Those are different things. Just because something is less versatile doesn't mean it's less good, or valid. It's just a different thing.

If you don't wanna accept rock, then take jazz, and then it's game over. Nothing is more versatile than jazz. That was the whole spirit of jazz to begin with. Improvisation.

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Since there is no particular direction with your request, here are albums that I think are great from start to finish with no regard to genre:

Massive Attack - Mezzanine

Type O Negative - October Rust

Leonard Cohen - Songs of Love and Hate

Tom Waits - Bone Machine

Boris - Flood

Electric Wizard - Witchcult Today

Bongripper - Satan Worshipping Doom

Misfits - Walk Among Us

Bauhaus - In the Flat Field

Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures

The Cure - Disintegration

John Prine - John Prine

The Jesus and Mary Chain - Psychocandy

Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the 36 Chambers

Blonde Redhead - Misery is a Butterfly

Hum - Inlet

Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream

My Bloody Valentine - Loveless

Danzig - II: Lucifuge

Earth - The Bees Made Honey in the Lion's Skull

Cypress Hill - Black Sunday

Augustus Pablo - King Tubbys Meets Rockers Uptown

Sun Dial - Return Journey

Portishead - Dummy

Filmmaker - Motion Pictures Regime

Neu! - Neu!

Wooden Wand - Death Seat

Naam - Naam

T. Rex - Electric Warrior

Clutch - Clutch

Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - Tender Prey

Rocket From the Crypt - Circa Now!

The Birthday Party - Junkyard

Morphine - Cure for Pain

Hopefully something in that mess catches your ear.

You're incredibly stupid.

lacks sufficient evidence repeats original theory as evidence of original theory

Since there is no particular direction with your request, here are albums that I think are great from start to finish with no regard to genre:

Massive Attack - Mezzanine

Type O Negative - October Rust

Leonard Cohen - Songs of Love and Hate

Tom Waits - Bone Machine

Boris - Flood

Electric Wizard - Witchcult Today

Bongripper - Satan Worshipping Doom

Misfits - Walk Among Us

Bauhaus - In the Flat Field

Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures

The Cure - Disintegration

John Prine - John Prine

The Jesus and Mary Chain - Psychocandy

Wu-Tang Clan - Enter the 36 Chambers

Blonde Redhead - Misery is a Butterfly

Hum - Inlet

Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream

My Bloody Valentine - Loveless

Danzig - II: Lucifuge

Earth - The Bees Made Honey in the Lion's Skull

Cypress Hill - Black Sunday

Augustus Pablo - King Tubbys Meets Rockers Uptown

Sun Dial - Return Journey

Portishead - Dummy

Filmmaker - Motion Pictures Regime

Neu! - Neu!

Wooden Wand - Death Seat

Naam - Naam

T. Rex - Electric Warrior

Clutch - Clutch

Hopefully something in that mess catches your ear.

Rap is way more versatile than rock brodie

It has become far more versatile but I’d see that more as hip hop catching up with other genres. It’s still a much younger musical form than many other styles and it was far more guarded in its early days. It is great to see all the new stuff coming out as people are goofing with the formula.