Check your dates on many of these. The Beatles formed in 1960, Cohen didn’t start recording until 67. Looks like when you play your music it’s time for everyone to call it a night. 😂

Sorry, but I don't think your argument makes any sense.

That other bands would've figured out the same sound is a) not a given, and b) irrelevant. That would be like saying Nicola Tesla gets too much credit because eventually somebody else would've had the same ideas as he.

Ok, so your musical taste is obviously for more subdued singer-songwriter stuff and The Beatles aren't your jam. But they had released 6 or 7 albums, including Rubber Soul in 1965, by the time Cohen, Nick Drake and Velvet Underground released their first albums in 1967, with Van Zandt releasing his first album a year after that in '68. (I'm ignoring Coltrane, Davis and Simone because they don't belong in a pop/rock conversation)

To Say that your favorite artists, or the producers that they worked with, were not in anyway influenced by what The Beatles were doing is intentionally putting your head in the sand.

Look, I haven't listened to The Beatles with any regularity since I moved out of my parents' house over 20 years ago, but I also am not going to deny their influence on most of the music we listen to today

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Who didn't do what?

But they didn't and that's the point.

What you do is, all of you need to keep a half-step up or down from him (except him, obvs. or he’d run out of kstack and BSOD, and using that as the basis for a kick-out might look bad), and then confront him afterwards with his obvious tone-deafness.

Now, if he’s not tone-deaf, he’ll self-correct and y’all’ll have to switch to and from the actual notes as he does (I recommend a gradual sinusoid around the usual pitch—it helps, if signing, to pretend you’re an 80-year-old contraltos with a helluva vibrato). That’ll take practice and your keyboardist keeping a spare elbow on pitch bend, but it’ll only boost your own, personal musicalities to get good at it, giving you a higher horse to spit at your lead singer from (or whatever people are supposed to do with their high horses).

The audience is likely to notice y’all modulating like crazy people, but pretend it’s intentional and part of your unique sound, and it was Frontman’s idea anyway, but you’re getting rid of him so it’ll be obscenely normal/non-unique next time.

Or just tell him. Less fun tho’.

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Lol “I don’t have time for this” = I know I’m wrong but too childish to admit it

I don’t have time for this. I’ll politely leave this thread. Bye

I think you mean 1796.

Same as people miss going to Blockbuster for rental movies+games or meeting friends before everyone had social media or even mobile phones and how generally so many things were better "back in the days".

Sorry, but you probably it's just nostalgia.

And as others said, there are still record shops, just a lot less of them.

How do you figure that it doesn’t matter

Make no mistake, The Beatles were pretty much at the leading edge of production and songwriting for the time. They may not have been the most technically accomplished musicians but they were a couple of rungs up from your average pop players.

Time passes and things change so their stuff has dated, as everything does, but the influence lives on and is widely acknowledged by many contemporary artists. It is likely that some of your favourite musicians list The Beatles amongst their influences.

I was born in the 1960s but I still prefer music that is being produced now to the crude stuff we thought was cool when I was a kid. It's an evolution - stuff develops from modest beginnings and some of what that evolution has produced is fantastic. My favourite band has only existed for about 3 years yet I still sometimes think I hear Beatles influence in some of their music - even though they're a metal band.

So, I'm not a huge Beatles fan but I cannot, in good faith, deny that they largely earned their rep.

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Kills me how bold people are in their wrong-ness these days. Say, "not my thing", or "doesn't resonate with me" To say they're overrated just makes you sound absurd. Practically every rock band since, lists them as an influence, and they're the most covered band ever. Give everyone a break with the "overrated" bullshit

"not that groundbreaking" -- spoken like a kid who can't be bothered to read even the shortest history of recording, but assumes to know all of the details. Smdh

I'm not saying you have to like The Beatles, but you have to respect how they, specifically, changed how music sounds, and with George Martin and the various engineers at the helm, changed how music was recorded. They used the first samples for fuckssake.

But please, tell us how you got to these conclusions with your musicology degree.

Red river - lowrider

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I feel that the human nature of being drawn to creative things and ideas is a part of it

I guess I replied before he wrote this. It doesn’t matter anyway.

Rating them is overrated.

Every week somebody wants to take down the Beatles. Decades later, people are still having this debate....how many other bands have this ongoing in their press kit? ...they must have done something right.

Their use of the studio and the album format were revolutionary. "A Day in the Life" was recorded on a 4-track. Try to wrap your head around that the next time you listen to it. I rarely listen to them anymore because they're so pervasive in pop culture and overplayed, but their impact on culture worldwide really can't be overstated. Don't dig their music? I get it. A lot of it is quaint and dull. But if you don't respect their role in music history, that's on you.

Yes, op wrote that the singer in question plays guitar and writes the music. Check the comments