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Ok-Session445 t1_jcqdtal wrote

Reply to Why is Eminem such a biter? by [deleted]

That’s all rappers do is bite off and sample one another’s music and lyrics. Is this some kind of epiphany for you? One of the reasons I’m not really a fan of the genre. Not much originality to it and they cut their teeth on the backs of others. Just my humble opinion

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fungus-and-bugs t1_jcpcy9f wrote

Reply to Separation Between Music and Artist? by BBoi138

No one is 100% evil. To erase the good one has done only serves to accentuate the bad. If the art doesn’t make me think of their atrocities then I’ll still appreciate it. But I also understand if someone has a hard time separating the art from the artist.

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[deleted] t1_jcp9tnm wrote

Reply to Separation Between Music and Artist? by BBoi138

I really can’t bear this trend - and it is a trend - of people caring so intensely about the personal morality of others and making almost everything into politics. It really seems like even less than a decade ago, they did it a lot less, and I honestly can’t wait for it to end. So yeah, I separate the art from the artist in moral terms because I generally couldn’t care less about others’ morals. If I just happen to find them an annoying person, on a purely personal level, then it’s different.

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darw1nf1sh t1_jcp98cg wrote

Reply to comment by specialspartan_ in Separation Between Music and Artist? by BBoi138

So you agree with me then that stealing food if you are starving is different from stealing music you don't need but want? We could argue the ethics of homelessness, but we aren't. We are talking about piracy of unnecessary things. You can rationalize it however you want, but it is theft.

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darw1nf1sh t1_jcp3l8i wrote

Reply to comment by specialspartan_ in Separation Between Music and Artist? by BBoi138

You don't need art to live. It isn't food, or water, or shelter. Your desire to have it does not give you a right to steal it, regardless of the artist. There is no justification for it morally or ethically. Your inability to afford it or unwillingness to support the artist, does not give you carte blanche to steal it.

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Heart_Juice t1_jcp2s3q wrote

Reply to Separation Between Music and Artist? by BBoi138

I don't feel the need to separate anything; the political views are part of the experience for me.

A revolution is almost always a terrible idea, and I agree with next to nothing that RATM stands (or stood) for as regards political action. But when I listen to their music, I feel like getting a boom blaster, plastering a flag that says "guerilla radio" to it, and going around town barechested with a megaphone while I advocate a communist takeover. Perhaps I even imagine it joyfully. What I can't stand is when music feels fake, or clearly separated from the artist (the problem with RATM, amongst so many others, "selling out"? They're all filthy rich at this point, so how convincing now is their revolutionary spirit?)

It's play, which doesn't mean you shouldn't take it seriously. Burning churches is stupid, murder is evil, but it's part of Burzum's charm; the point is that - despite his edgelordness - he is far darker than most people mentally.

It extends to everything. It wouldn't suit South Park to have been made by modern liberals (and they never would have). I have no idea which artists I agree with politically - a point here and there - and that's all I need, because most political or philosophical aspects of music reduce to a simple point or emotion that I can recognize in myself; RATM's revolutionary mayhem or their anger at unfairness, South Park's cynical distance from society, even Burzum's embrace of darkness and spiritual isolation, Megadeth's "this is my life and it's none of your business" libertarianism.

To me, the stupidity begins when you're no longer playing and you let the musician actually tell you what to believe.

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specialspartan_ t1_jcp1u9f wrote

Reply to comment by darw1nf1sh in Separation Between Music and Artist? by BBoi138

It absolutely does. Appreciation of art and music is an integral part of the human experience and losing that due to a concern over giving financial support and enabling assholes and abusers is a terrible choice. The obvious solution is to enjoy the art you want to and steal it from those you don't want to enable so that you are not forced to choose to deprive yourself of what you love or enable such people.

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darw1nf1sh t1_jcovumh wrote

Reply to comment by specialspartan_ in Separation Between Music and Artist? by BBoi138

No, they didn't. The question is should you even enjoy or listen to music created by problematic artists. Mozart was an asshole. Wagner was an antisemite. We still listen to their music and enjoy it apart from the composer. That has nothing to do with the moral question of whether stealing a product is justified or not.

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