I pay more here in rent than I did in NYC hhahahahah cannot wait to move

You want Newark, a poor city that was divested from for decades, to be “just as good” as NYC, the largest and wealthiest city in the country?

I mean people see the average rent of manhattan and get spooked. I said NYC and also I gassed it but my main argument was that Newark is too expensive for what it is worth. Newark is the one of the most expensive rent considering an average person's income.

In NYC, you have higher wages.

My argument was not cogent, my fault.

https://www.nj.com/essex/2022/07/newark-tops-us-cities-for-homeowners-severely-burdened-by-housing-costs.html

I saw a post that newark was the top 5 most expensive city in America considering the population's income.

For you, you move from more expensive to cheaper and I assume that (idk anything about you) you kept your NY income level or something comparable bc why would you move otherwise.

For you and I, newark is a good deal but for the population newark is becoming expensive.

This trend is not sustainable, something has to give. Either displacement of people, increased poverty or increased economic opportunities to name a few.

The developers have locked in on the train route towns to boost up the rent prices. When there was a recession in 2008 Newark it was cheap. It's more than just the price of materials. People in NYC are looking for cheap places. What happened in Brooklyn, is going to happen to Newark. We recently had a council person locked up for taking bribes from developers. Newark is worth billions. People in Brooklyn said the same thing.

“New York prices”?? Not even close!! You go to New York and look for an apt.. and let us know how it goes! I’m from NY moved here not so long ago, you have no idea about NY rent prices! Rent went up here but it’s nothing compared to NY(bk,qns, bx, etcc).

Yeah you are right, the labor costs difference are negligible but then Newark needs to either differentiate or be just as good and it is lacking in both. I want better for Newark, not shit talking it.

Labor and materials cost roughly the same in Newark as in JC and Manhattan. The biggest difference in cost would be land. Most large towers in Newark need subsidy in order to generate enough revenue to pay off what it costs to build them.

Facts

Sometimes it’s all day. And yeah the person yelling and “singing” into the pa is tone deaf. No idea who actually attends, it might be one of those things where there’s free food if you’ll listen to some preaching and bad music.

Edit: there’s also the Haitian(?) church on Union St. Once a month or so a bunch of buses would show up and they’d have a big service. Otherwise it was closed most of the time. Way better musicians, and not early in the morning. The Galician church would ring some decent tunes on their bells sometimes. Everyone has a sound to make in that neighborhood, it was interesting.

It actually might be that. It is coming from that direction. It is very vet odd. Maybe I'll go explore next weekend.

I like the new design. And to the OP @scrollhectic there is a 3bedroom 2 bath for sale at renaissance tower for $450k

111 Mulberry St Apt 4L, Newark $450,000 · 3beds · 2baths

https://apps.realtor.com/mUAZ/3eyszm9h

Is it by Independence Park? There’s a church over there that always seemed to be blasting bad music when I lived in that neighborhood. Never did pinpoint which one.

It's been an hour and a half so far. Fml.

This is in North Ironbound.

One summer, late at night when we were in bed with our windows open, we heard some kid singing and playing Britney Spears’ Hit Me, Baby, One More Time on his acoustic guitar. He was not good.

What part of Ironbound?

The RBH Group are bad neighbors. They let a building collapse on Beaver Street that could have killed someone if they had been on the street at the time. Ron Beit is a pig who pretends to care about Newark but buys up old buildings and allows them to collapse.

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Looks meh but it's better than nothing. Cool that you wanna stay put Scroll but condos are gonna be tough; more people like yourself need incentive to buy in the city.

Can’t wait for this ground breaking

The article says that Arc Tower is having trouble getting approved due to it being in a historical area // needing to demolish something historical.

All I know is that the perceived value of historical areas is exaggerated. I'd rather give the next generation a booming economy rather than performative nimbyism.

Isn’t there a freeze on rent increases imposed by the city?

When I posted this earlier it got straight buried lol. Glad it's back on the forefront.

I will always prefer taller, but I do have to say I like this design. There's just a handful of blocks downtown that if they were redeveloped it'd be almost a night/day difference.

It sucks about the increase in rent scroll but glad you're staying put!

thats great as we would be happy to rent for a year to get settled into the area. How can I find out about these places for rent before moving there?

Typical NIMBY bullshit. I wish I was there to speak. I thought the next meeting was in November. I think we should start organizing a Newark YIMBY group to attend any and all such meetings and provide a counterweight to this nonsense.

Didn’t members of that James St group also oppose the new NJIT dorm, Maple Hall, because NJIT was replacing an empty burned out old school school? Those people act as though Newark was a site of ancient ruins to be preserved for archeologists.

Reminds me of the NIMBYs who opposed the 1 South Willow development in Montclair. They preferred a long vacated social security building, a parking lot and a tire shop to a six story mixed use development. That new development has totally transformed that corner, breathing new life into what had been one of Montclair’s uglier blocks.

The collective impact of NIMBYism is a major reason why housing is so expensive. We must find ways to limit their perverse impact every way we can.

See for example: https://www.econtalk.org/katherine-levine-einstein-on-neighborhood-defenders/