Recent comments in /f/Newark

KillahHills10304 t1_iuvjun8 wrote

I have to wonder is there even a need for this law? Have any legal concealed carriers caused issues or shot anybody? Accidental discharges? Are they making this law "just because"?

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DrixxYBoat OP t1_iuv2lj5 wrote

Article

7-11 is closing // selling 19 stores across Jersey.

The sold stores will not have the 7-11 branding which means Newark loses another powerhouse company, like when we lost the McDonald's on Broad Street.

Wendy's opened up on Broad/Market recently, but I wish I existed in a timeline where we got to keep everything and then build more.

We need a freaking Target downtown too. Idc, we need one.

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ahtasva t1_iuul864 wrote

No I am not. I am simply pointing out the the term “captured” does not in itself dehumanize the criminal. To suggest otherwise is pure projection. The term captured / arrested and apprehended are used interchangeably very often in news reports. I see no evidence proffered to suggest that the term is used more or less often when describing offenders of a particular race. Absent such evidence, the argument that the mere use of different synonyms to describe the same act can somehow result in the “dehumanization” of said offender is not tenable.

The study the other poster cited says as much. Nothing novel in the study what so ever. Participants were exposed to description of 3 different crimes; an assault, the murder of young children and embezzlement. Participants were equally morally outraged by all 3 crimes but viewed the child murders as less human and therefore less worthy of rehabilitation and warranting longer sentences.

The important thing to note is that the tendency to view the criminal as less human is not a function of how the crime was described ( something that you and the poster you are responding to are making the case for) rather it is a function of the crime itself. Child murders are viewed as less human than someone who embezzled a few hundred grand! What’s ground breaking about that ??

Apply that to this case, you have a criminal who while being investigate for a series of serious crimes gets into a gun fight with the police in a building full of other residents and ends up shooting and injuring two police officers. He then flees the crime scene and is arrested some time latter. You and the other poster seriously believe that given the facts of the case, this criminal will somehow be prejudiced by the fact that his apprehension was described in a Twitter post as him being “captured” 🤷🏾‍♂️🤦🏾🤷🏾‍♂️

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kjeannel t1_iuuhfxp wrote

Reply to comment by ahtasva in Cop shooter captured by GhostOfRobertTreat

You are speaking about a different issue here. Both (the crime and this discussion) are issues. OP is only pointing out that the word used to describe finding the suspect further embeds subliminal racism into our daily lives.

We already know the crime is a problem. That's obvious. This is an issue with the reporting of it.

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kjeannel t1_iuug8is wrote

Exactly. If people would just read a book, they'd understand.

So You Want To Talk About Race by Ijeoma Oluo goes into semantics and how word choice matters, particularly having to do with crime. "Captured" simply implies the man can be compared to an animal. This language would most likely not be used if the man were white. Maybe "Found" would be used instead. This is the problem.

Another book recommendation having to do with school is Pushout by Monique W. Morris. Heavy reading, though. Do it in batches.

It's scary y'all in the comments and downvoting are a part of this sub and may even live in Newark. At least do your homework while you're here.

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DrixxYBoat t1_iuu3bwn wrote

Check Edit, and yeah, you're entirely correct.

I'm just asking for people to be real with their biases and to be consistent.

Keep the same energy when a cop does something heinous. Keep the same energy when a white guy does something crazy.

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DrixxYBoat t1_iuu2thb wrote

Reply to comment by ahtasva in Cop shooter captured by GhostOfRobertTreat

Yeah, no. There's no magic about it. If you were the least bit informed about real life, you would understand that you're biased asf.

The Roles of Dehumanization and Moral Outrage in Retributive Justice

>When innocents are intentionally harmed, people are motivated to see that offenders get their “just deserts”. The severity of the punishment they seek is driven by the perceived magnitude of the harm and moral outrage.

>when criminal behavior is seen as intentional (e.g., [11]–[13]), perpetrators are judged as more culpable, responsible, and blameworthy [14]–[19] and are punished more severely [20]. In these cases, when mitigating factors are scarce and crimes are viewed as intentional, people tend to endorse retributive forms of punishment [21], [22] and are highly sensitive to the harm done in forming judgements about punishment severity

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Raisinbinn t1_iuu1zdn wrote

I agree with you. Did this guy do something bad? Absolutely. Does he deserve the punishment that's coming to him? I think he does. However the media has a bias they way they treat black criminals and white criminals.

We've all seen it. When a white person shoots up a school, the first question that's asks is something like "what drove him to do such a thing?" or "he must have had some issues at home." It's never the same vitriol that we see to describe a black person when he commits an even lesser crime.

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