Recent comments in /f/Pennsylvania

Heathen_Mushroom t1_j7ppu9u wrote

This is basically my point. Ethics and morals tend to change incrementally. The idea that one generation holds the key to a moral evolution that will usher in an epoch of utopian social harmony is just painfully naive, and rolls around every 20-30 years or so. I have seen it twice in my lifetime already.

My parents thought their grandparents' generation's passing would solve the world's problems.

I thought the passing of my grandparents' generation would solve the world's problems.

Now Gen Z thinks the passing of my parents' generation will solve the world's problems.

Gen Z's children will think my generation's passing will solve the world's problems.

Gen Z's grandchildren will think Gen Z's passing will solve the world's problems.

And each of these generations think they are the pinnacle of moral enlightenment rather than a step on the ladder.

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mjgood91 t1_j7po3mc wrote

Honestly, ever since Trump won the GOP presidential nomination in '16, so much everything on the news I've heard has been kind of a "Oh... Well, I guess that's a thing now" that I just don't question the craziest stories the same way I might have otherwise.

When this first circulated back a little while ago, my first thought was "Sheez guys... We have, what, a very, very small handful of schools that are putting in litterboxes, and as we haven't heard anything from the students or teachers themselves, I guess folks in those classrooms are for whatever reason fine with this kinda thing... Can we like move on to something a little more relevant now?". Didn't even think to fact-check if it was actually happening or not with the way everyone was going on about it until like ...just now, I think.

I'm both quite relieved it was a hoax, while being even more disappointed with conservatives (sadly, they have quite the track record of disappoints) that so many of them let such a farce go this far. If you're going to open your mouth and say something, and you're going to say it loudly to a lot of people, you really should know what the heck you're talking about.

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baldude69 t1_j7pnxfj wrote

For sure they pioneered much of this thought, but they grew up in fat times, and when things got tough(er) they turned to Reagan, who granted was largely buoyed by their parents generation. Their turn to conservatism is nothing short of astounding and honestly seems very self-serving.

I do credit them with bringing ideas like gay rights, racial equality, environmental stewardship, and much more into mainstream thought and education, and doing some amazing things along the way, but the shift to the right blows me away, even among some of my childhood friends parents.

I’m not going to say Millenials grew up in the toughest of times, but we have witnessed a large erosion of the middle class in our own lifetimes, seen the hypocrisy of the billionaire class and their purchased politicians, and the complacency (at best) of the boomer generation, seen good jobs become more and more out of reach, healthcare worsen, pensions disappear, and more. So I don’t think we will go the same route as boomers, and I do think we are to and demand change, because right now we have a broken system that is propping up the oldest generation and not doing much for anyone else. The boomers and golden generation have obstructed this change at every opportunity, but their time is nigh, and change will come

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sneakysquid102 t1_j7pnvpl wrote

Did I say it was a good thing? And I believe you were the one that brought up the topic of jail. I just said alcohol should be illegal. But since you brought it I had to point out that we throw people in jail for lesser crimes all the time. So before you start barking how it would mess shit up, getting people thrown in jail for alcohol, think about all the other ass backwards reasons people get thrown in jail.

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Or0b0ur0s t1_j7pnl9i wrote

Yes, but you have to consider the source. This is part of the same organization that has strongly hinted though their stacked SCOTUS that things like non-white, non-landowning people and women probably shouldn't vote, since it wasn't "original" to the U.S. Constitution.

They're fascist plutocrats who will justify literally anything to put their hands deeper in your pockets or strengthen their power over you. If they told me the sky was blue and I was to get free tacos for life, I'd wonder what they were hiding up there and assume the tacos were poisoned so they could sell me the antidote.

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baldude69 t1_j7pmfmr wrote

Yes but you also live in Erie according to your flair.. big cities are growing, fueled by young adults flocking to them, and these metros and their surrounding suburbs are where progressive thought is causing all these state election upsets.

There will always be conservative young adults thanks to their conservative parents, but most of them are located in rural or rural-adjacent areas, so I wouldn’t trust this anecdotal sample as a solid indicator, for the same reason I wouldn’t trust West Philadelphia as a sample for what the rest of the state is like

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baldude69 t1_j7ploxm wrote

Perhaps. I am a believer in generational progressivism, and millennials grew up in a time where many progressive ideas were in mainstream education - gay rights, racial equality, recycling/environmental activism

Of course most of these things were ideas that boomers propagated in the cultural Revolution of the 60s/70s, but I believe the Reagan years supported largely by the “Golden Generation” fucked this country up pretty good

I also recognize that millennials will become slightly more conservative as they age, but we have also been witness to multiple recessions, 9/11, MAGA, growing wealth inequality, striking of Roe V. Wade, and a tough job market. I don’t think that we will slide as far to the right as Boomers. The thing I worry about most is the erosion of education and the long term implications that has for Gen Z and Alpha. I do believe in them to demand better, and believe Millenials will not go the same route as Boomers to obstruct them.

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