Recent comments in /f/Pennsylvania

susinpgh t1_j9hf69v wrote

Peer countries is a more important consideration. Also, the education budget isn't keeping up with GDP. It also doesn't meet UNESCO’s benchmark of a 15.00% share of total public expenditure on education.

These are some of the reasons that our education system isn't working at the level that it should.

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drxdrg08 t1_j9he4k8 wrote

> Nope, not bullshit logic at all. Test/performance anxiety is a very real thing and is very well documented. People shouldn't be punished for their inability to perform under pressure, especially not kids.

We've been doing it wrong for hundreds of years. Tests have been a thing for a very long time.

It's dishonest to even say that it's about "anxiety". It's a recent movement linked to "equity".

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AnotherUser297 t1_j9hdsxo wrote

Unfortunately the law and the reality are different.

Charters kick kids with IEP needs out or don’t admit them under the guise of not having resources for them. They kick kids out for behavior, or don’t admit them for truancy issues at a previous school. They hold their admissions lotteries at one specific location in one specific neighborhood for one hour one night per year.

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kormer t1_j9hbn76 wrote

Stop the lies

>> Charters are often selective in who they admit

>A charter school shall not discriminate in its admission policies or practices based on intellectual ability or athletic ability, measures of achievement or aptitude, status as a person with a disability, English language proficiency, or any other basis that would be illegal if used by a school district. Further, a charter school may not use achievement tests, entrance examination tests, enrollment forms, admissions interviews, or other means of testing a student’s intellectual ability, disability status, English language proficiency or other basis that would be illegal if used by a school district to grant or deny admission. A charter school also may not require a student to obtain or maintain a particular grade point average to be admitted to the charter school. The chartering school district may conduct periodic audits of the school's applicants, accepted students, and enrolled students.

https://www.education.pa.gov/Policy-Funding/BECS/Purdons/Pages/CharterSchools.aspx

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wellarmedsheep t1_j9haxo3 wrote

Its much different.

I certainly have my issues with public education, particularly social promotion, but the difference in engagement is not comparable.

Quite literally you can log into a cyber charter, walk away, and get counted as present. Counting those kids as present is fraud. You cannot do that at public school.

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AnotherUser297 t1_j9habmu wrote

Except that the kids who leave “bad” schools and go to charters often perform worse than the kids who stayed at the “bad” school. Charters are often selective in who they admit, have parents who care (enough) to try to get their kid in, and still don’t perform better than the neighborhood school. It’s not always the case - there are some good charters - but so many perform worse than the schools they’re pulling kids from.

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MildlyInfuria8ing t1_j9h9xgo wrote

A prime example of why certain people pushed so hard to get charter school vouchers covered by state funds. It's a financial scheme disguised as education. It's in the same vein as most for profit prisons; your population is always there legally, and it makes it so easy to make 'legal' kickbacks especially when everyone involved is looking out for each other's backs instead of those populations they serve.

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kormer t1_j9h90f1 wrote

Only when you compare all charters to all traditional public schools.

The flaw in that analysis is that the students going into charters are not coming from all schools, but highly concentrated from the worst schools. Additionally there are a multitude of socio-economic factors that contribute to those students underperforming anywhere they attend, but the comparisons are always made against a broader set of students.

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WearySeaTurtle t1_j9h6t4f wrote

The state exams are bullshit. At my school, we did not give a single f, just guessed and put down whatever. The school tried to bribe us with ice cream to care.

All I cared about was passing classes, not some dumb state exam.

For those who have to pass these to graduate, God bless.

What I was being teach before the exams barely pertained to it. Teachers just rush taught a review before.

You're so out of touch if you think passing state exam means you got a quality education.

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