You're a terrible person

I've got some coworkers who were born and raised in NYC who are so happy to be in providence. It's not impossible.

Public access to beaches is a real problem

Nope. Nada. Don’t do it.

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> Since trans women are women (whether they transition or not), we shouldn’t shame them by recommending regular prostate exams, or anything related to their former gender.

WTF? You have to be trolling. Some anti-androgens used as part of HRT may actually mask the symptoms of prostate cancer, that's actually more reason to get screened.

Wait really! Man I was thinking of getting one when I got back. 😞

Hedricken is a great high school in an awkward location.
Classical shares a campus with Central, a very rough school. Its merit status has been gamed. Not all Providence private schools are good. Moses Brown is best, followed by Wheeler, PCD, and Lincoln. Lincoln doesn’t even offer AP classes at this time, and is lacking in academic rigor. They offer Preagelbra in ninth grade, which is not not competitive college prep. They haven’t sent a girl to Brown in three years. Lincoln was founded as a Pembroke feeder. Pembroke was the women’s division at Brown, subsumed many years ago. Private school is the way to go in Providence.

nice post

bahaha i see what you did there.. funny

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Billions for defence, but America will not pay one cent of ransom. If you start paying Danegeld or protection money, it never stops.

I noticed it, too. For a second I was worried that it was coming from my car. It smelled like an electric fire.

Oh, and the Latin America part is because I am from Latin America and was having this conversation with other people from Latin America. It is waaaayyyy too familiar

It’s the two thirds world (I don’t like “developing countries”) but I don’t know if people reading will get it, and don’t know an international terms for countries ransacked by colonial powers. This is the one hill I don’t die on.

Well! You may regret getting me started on this.

Many people will tell you that the difference is the New York City water. I have serious doubts about this theory. For one thing, New York City and Long Island have completely different water sources, and yet Long Island bagels are every bit as good as New York City bagels. It doesn't add up. I've had bagels outside of New York from places that took pride in importing New York water, and they weren't good.

I think the big difference is that making real bagels is a long and onerous process, and places outside of New York think they can take shortcuts. I'll give you the best example I've ever seen. Years ago, when Providence Bagel first opened, maybe even before it opened, I read an article about them in a local magazine. The owner talked about how they were going to bring real New York-style bagels to Rhode Island for the first time. He described how he'd hired a professional bagel consultant from New York to show him how to do it.

The consultant part was already suspicious, as I think anyone who wants to make New York bagels should first spend a significant amount of time apprenticing in a New York bagel shop -- so already you're seeing shortcuts here. But then he said that while New York bagels are traditionally first boiled and then baked, the consultant showed him how he could buy a special oven that would do the same thing in just one step. Even though I was alone, I remember saying, "No, no, no!" out loud. Sure enough, when I went and tried the bagels, I could immediately tell they weren't the real thing.

Here's a good video I saw recently about how they make bagels at Utopia Bagels, a well-respected shop that I've personally never been to. Notice that the process is long, difficult, and best performed by people who have been doing it for many years. Nobody wants to do this, but in New York you HAVE to do it because there's too much competition and you're going to fail if you don't. I suspect places outside of New York are omitting different steps -- but they're all omitting at least one of them. Providence Bagel, for example, isn't boiling them. Others may not refrigerate them first, or may not use malt. Everybody's doing at least something wrong.

One commonality I've noticed in almost all bagels outside New York is a consistent texture. Bagels should NEVER have a consistent texture. They should be slightly crispy on the outside and dense and doughy on the inside. A good bagel should hurt your jaw a little to eat (Rebelle is the only bagel I've ever had outside New York that did this). You shouldn't be able to just chomp right through it -- as you bite, you should feel your teeth sinking further and further into it. It's not a roll. There should be a distinct malty flavor, which I rarely if ever see outside New York. This actually isn't traditional, but I also like my bagels big, so big that the hole almost disappears, which most of the better New York places will do these days and places outside of New York rarely do.

Don’t, it sucks here

Nobody does breakfast sandwich here likeNYC everything mentioned is great….. we lack delis in RI

As someone who can’t claim bagels are their thing, can you elaborate on what makes NY bagels NY bagels? And why are they so good?

Try cafe international in cranston. I’ve seen marble there before

I haven’t found a single good Montreal style bagel in town. 😅

They are my go to when I run out of my imported bagels. Not NYC style tho.

Now even I am taking all your advices too lol thanks!

Warwhiack

And she is incredibly gracious, a wonderful human overall