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allhailthehale t1_jao468y wrote

>Okay, but here's the thing. If an electrician comes to your house says your house is safe then your real estate agent is going to believe them, they aren't the expert, the only thing they can do is get another opinion.

Sure. In this case I don't think it's necessarily on the cops that they took her away from the hospital initially-- that's indicative of a fucked up medical system that is using the police as a tool.

But that doesn't excuse the attitude of the cops-- the huge amount of total dick behavior and absolute callousness on display here that led them to ignore her worsening symptoms and make her last moments so horrible.

Both systems are sick. No one gets off the hook here.

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totoop t1_jao3wfq wrote

I think its clear that in just about every way possible, every institution tasked with caring for Lisa Edwards in the final 24hours of her life failed her.

I think what bothers me so much about her death is the likely terror and confusion she probably felt while her life was ending. She goes to a hospital fearing she is having another stroke, gets kicked out, asks for help, gets arrested, asks for help, gets mocked by police, asks for help, dies alone in the backseat of a police car. Its the callousness she was shown by the last line of people that COULD have done something to save her life but chose not to. The same people that are supposed to deal with life or death situations regularly in their line of work.

I just can't see anything that Lisa could have possibly done differently in this situation to help herself better, which is what she was trying to do, help herself.

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WickedDog310 t1_jao308v wrote

Okay, but here's the thing. If an electrician comes to your house says your house is safe then your real estate agent is going to believe them, they aren't the expert, the only thing they can do is get another opinion.

These cops absolutely should have treated her better and should have transported her to another medical facility, she's obviously in need of medical care, and they aren't in the position to provide that. Between the slurring words, the inability to hold herself up, what I'm absolutely sure would be some crazy pupil responses, they absolutely knew she needed care. What's worse is the way the hospital weaponized the police against this woman. The hospital dismissed this woman's pain and legitimate concerns because they couldn't be bothered, and most likely because they are understaffed and burnt out and can't manage the patient loads. Any good nurse will say their main job is patient advocacy, they advocate for patients to get the right combo of meds, they make sure that Dr's who look at charts for .3 seconds don't order something that would hurt the patient.

Pull up Fort Sanders' glass door and you'll see nurses had mandatory overtime, 14:1 patient/nurse ratios, 32:1 patient/CNA ratios, EMTs used in place of nurses, ohh and wait for it.... "Militaristic security force"

This was more than police being police. This was a hospital who knew exactly how police be policing and used them against an elderly woman.

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manicmonday122 t1_jao0jbk wrote

In the video the cops tell her the hospital refused to let her back in because they medically cleared her. Tough spot to be in with little to no medical background when the physician says there is nothing wrong with her. IMO they should have called the rescue to evaluate her one she stated she couldn’t breath or before. Let the medics argue with the Dr. or transport her to another facility. The current system is totally fucked. ER wait times 10 to 20 hours on a regular basis just to get back into a room.

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koopolil t1_janzk5v wrote

Reply to comment by therealDrA in Best fried oysters in RI? by therealDrA

Fried oysters aren’t really a specialty RI food compared to other more popular seafood items.

Asking who has the best fried oysters is like asking who has the best salads. It’s not really something people rank or restaurants are known for.

That being said they are on the menu at plenty of restaurants and you have received some good recommendations.

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totoop t1_janvqh0 wrote

I see what you're saying and it does make some sense but in the end this woman is dead. The police were the last people charged with her custody. In the video the woman is clearly asking for help and saying she can't breath which is met with officers saying "clearly she's faking it.......yeah clearly she is but if she ends up not being able to breath that will be a big problem"

They understood the severity of the issue, they chose to disregard it even after acknowledging the severity, because they convinced themselves their assumptions (based on their own professional judgement and actions of the hospital) were justified when they were clearly very, very wrong.

Even if this woman was "faking it", is it so unreasonable for the public to still demand a level of professionalism and responsibility out of their public servants. I don't care if this woman was faking it, treat her with compassion and professionalism and do your god damn job.

I do agree with your assessment though, they'll all be sued, nobody will really face any disciplinary action, a settlement will be reached and taxpayers will foot the bill and nothing will be learned. Rinse and repeat until the next negligent death pops up and we go through this cycle all over again.

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buddhamanjpb t1_janu8pb wrote

You're right in the fact that this situation isn't as cut and dry as others where qualified immunity has let officers go free of responsibility and putting the taxpayers on the hook for a lawsuit. At the end of the day though, this woman died after she told the officers she couldn't breathe and said "I'm going to die". They literally accused her of faking. There are so many other, more productive ways this could have been handled and I do think that part of this is to blame on the officers.
I suppose this wasn't the best example of why qualified immunity needs to go away. I'm honestly just so tired of seeing police all across the country get away with murdering civilians and not facing consequences. I'm also not someone that hates on police all day. It's ok to support Police but also want to fix the system.

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fishythepete t1_jansiy9 wrote

Upvote to remove the down someone gave you.

>Qualified Immunity needs to be taken away and police need to be held accountable for their actions like the rest of the population.

I guess I just don’t see what about this situation is so egregious that the officers need to be held liable not only in their role as officers, but personally as well? If you are in a hospital, and a doctor grabbed you and said “I need your help quick - do XYZ!”, would you? I think a reasonably prudent person would and defer to a doctors medical expertise. Like it or not, that’s what the cops did here.

They’ll surely be sued, and the municipality will pay something, even though the hospital made the professional error. But they should be personally held liable too? Because they took a doctors opinion on a medical question? Eh.

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