Nothing like threatening to kill your employees family to really bring out the best work!

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This is your mistake though. Its not about judging the past by modern standards, it's about the quality of life by the standards of the time. If everyone dies by 30 then that's just life, it doesn't make your life worse that we now live longer in the same way our life isn't changed by the fact in 2084 people might live to 200. An average person can travel the globe now but will never have the thrill of seeing an animal that they haven't already seen on TV or in a kids book. An ancient Greek might be caught at sea, wash up in Madagascar and have their mind blown. Whose life is more abundant?

Or just re-define “need”

People working for a cause are a force

You're missing the point. There is no need to calculate that. Reality is what reality is. I think maybe you're not understanding the thought.

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I work at home Depot and I sometimes have to take a call. If someone tries yelling at me over the phone, I hang up on them wait about 30 seconds and call back and say "sorry about that but I think the call got disconnected, what were you saying?" Most of the time they realize if the wanna be a dick head then they aren't gonna be helped so they change the attitude. The ones who continue to yell, I'll make something up and basically say there's nothing we can do to help them (even if there is something I can do for them) and end the call.

I said they were living better more abundant lives. Which is objectively true.

If you plopped an average ancient Greek into the modern world and gave him a labor job, he would be overjoyed at all the basic comforts he/she can now enjoy....

They would look at people being sad and depressed and wonder why tf.

Hmmm. Why do you think you got downvotes here? Maybe I’m missing something.

You can work at McDonald's working fewer hours than those in the 1800s and live in the same conditions they did. We now just have higher standards

I recently read that in 1800, an extra hour of light per day required 5.4 hours of effort. (Make a candle, chop down a tree, etc.) Today, it takes less than a minute of effort to get that extra hour. That sure seems easier.

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I don't think you can objectively say people were living "better more abundant lives". You can say people are generally healthier, live longer, are better educated but it's impossible to say whether people are happier or living more meaningful lives. Especially because you're always dealing with averages and statistics or anecdotal stuff and never with the individuals. No one can say for sure. Maybe the ancient Greeks fucking loved life and we are all living a pale shadow of the hijinks they had

Oh yeah, it still happens. But I’ve never very seen anyone press a point past “mate I’m on minimum wage, you have to treat me as a person etc” (where forced mandates weren’t involved*).

The average work week was 60 hours in the early 1900s.

That number dropped to 37 hours, thanks to automation.

It has since crept back up due to increased expectations by customers and improved communications technology making people available 24/7.

What method would you use to calculate the number of people older than you?

They definitely were. And living better more abundant lives than those before them. People were ignorant of history back then. Today, people have no excuse for thinking we have it worse.

I feel like the huge jump is around 2010, that’s when movies started to get that crisp perfect frame we have now.

>Why do all the worst people just assume all of us are like them? Is it a comfort thing? Does it make you feel better about your own shittiness?

Fails to interpret a sentence, feels personally attacked, immediately becomes aggressive.

Typical shitty human behaviour, thanks for providing a valuable example to his point.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Showerthoughts/comments/10n1w76/at_a_certain_floor_level_you_can_have_sex_without/j673vkq?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 at least this comment suggests that

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Possibly a wordplay as why=y as in coordinates. You may be on 3rd floor but depending on a building it would be different height

People working in those Mills in the 1800s were probably cursing technology too