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Forgive me for not completely thinking out my response

I really hope green technology goes down the path of cutting off a lot of the fluff with the investments, where entities and projects go for flashiness while not actually being that “green”. Don’t get me wrong, this is great, but it’s easier to affect that change now compared to later when it’s all more established and adopted by everyone

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That is not an explanation for why you are comparing one solar panel to one oil well as if they are comparable units. That does not make sense.

You can compare based on caped investments. Actually renewables are getting really competitive in that metric but even then, energy intensity of fossil fuel sources is really high.

How is 1 windmill, 1 solar panel, and 1 oil well at all comparable units that you could draw a conclusion from , wtf

1 windmill or solar panel has infinitesimal (very small fraction) total energy compared to an oil well. The logistics/ supply chain has already been built up and developed. There’s a really strong economic incentive for oil and gas incumbents to want to preserve the status quo, even if it could be detrimental to humanity as a whole

Climate Coin Flip

"Politics have nothing to do with it" I'm not an expert, but the last time I checked, Politics was an essential pillar of climate progress & without it, We wouldn't see any progress. Current policies leads to about ~2.6-2.7C & Current pledges may limit warming below 2C. But, I'm far more interested in your statement "So, It's inevitable"

I don't understand. What is better than free?

Windmills and solar panels... once you build them. A little maintenance and free energy. No digging up energy. No putting it in or on a truck or tanker ship. No license plates and replacement tires and registrations and hiring drivers and ship captains and crew.

Nothing like that bullshit. Just sunlight and wind.

100 years from now I hope we think all that old fashioned stuff is stupid. Because it is.

Bamboo always worked well for me.

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I am so old I have forgotten!

Quiet gruesome

Most of their "green energy" programs are just set up to get government grants or bullshit like corn ethanol, and converting natural gas to hydrogen. As far as I can tell they just keep thinking they can pay off enough politicians to maintain their relevance (it's working so far).

Yeah I can't wait in 2060 to have half passable ai, a few good medical breakthroughs, and a mountain of tech scam nonsense to go along with our climate crisis that will displace too many tens of millions for any country to accept. Global poverty going backwards is sure a great time to be in.

Government and culture are more important than a tech tree to soyface at. Individual innovations are not going to save us and are not going to substantially improve the world enough to make up for the damage we are doing.

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Interestingly enough, most of the big oil companies are actually investing pretty heavily into greener alternatives. Not because its ethical but because the massive companies that have existed for decades know how to look for trends and changes in the market. Theyve recognized that greener alternatives are becoming the way of the future, especially as tech evolves to make them more efficient, so they invest in it early to reap the rewards as it becomes the new standard.

Its a weird kind of greedily uplifting element from long term investment strategies.

But it is like ra-e-ain on your wedding day.

We are at a crucial turning point in history, one way or the other.

Politics have nothing to do with it, its more economical & societal aspects.

Capitalism over everything else.

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No, It's not. There is a difference between physical inevitability and politically unlikely. Your reply seems harmful and unhelpful at best.

Cool, can we get green lobbying groups now? Seems to be the only way to get the oil industry to fuck all the way off.