Recent comments in /f/Washington

Bamcfp t1_ja5aob1 wrote

They're trying to tax based on thc % you're telling me they can't do the same for alcohol? It should be easy if they're lab testing alcoholic beverages which they should be doing already. Cheap and strong should not be encouraged, look at bud ice its awful

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darlantan t1_ja58x6h wrote

> The problem comes in when the replanting of those trees does not happen or they are not cared for well enough for them to survive.

When we're talking about old growth forests, there is no "replanting them" in any meaningful way. They grew in conditions that may no longer exist, and would take multiple human lifetimes to regenerate even if they were replicated. You may as well be suggesting that the fossil fuel problem be solved by hatching more dinosaurs.

Replanting and regrowing is valid for areas that have already been logged, and there is certainly an argument for responsible forestry with areas designated for repeat harvest, the same as any other crop.

Unlogged/old growth areas, however, should be considered inviolate at this point.

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seacamp t1_ja57l4y wrote

Finally, something a bit more sensible in these comments. Not only are they harvesting a renewable resource, they are specifically targeting fractured timberland that doesn't provide as many benefits as continuous parcels (e.g. wildlife corridors). While I do agree that older stands of trees tend to provide better biodiversity due to their very composition, simply harvesting only stands of young, monoculture trees doesn't solve our financial or ecological issues. If people don't want to use this renewable resource in safe and responsible manners (of which I believe this is), they'd better get ready to spend a hell of a lot more in taxes and also in funding to help maintain these areas (no, Smokey Bear and his outdated teachings aren't gonna cut it).

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darlantan t1_ja56xhx wrote

You can't convince me that the WA DNR's primary role is anything but a publicly-funded holding front for private lumber & paper interests. Tons of land is essentially walled off from the public behind gates that you can ostensibly get access through, but if you try you'll find you can never actually reach anyone who can/will unlock them. I have spent literally a month of workday lunches trying. Paper & lumber company operations basically get to do whatever the fuck they want, and old-growth like this is being sold off despite being literally irreplaceable.

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AltOnMain t1_ja556xq wrote

That may have been true of USFS 30 years ago, but as someone who bought log sales from USFS in the past, it’s just not the case in the PNW any more. Considering how much land USFS owns, they effective do not manage the land. I would be surprised if USFS applied some sort of management including hazardous fuels reduction (light thinning) to more than 0.1% of its land in WA in a year.

DNR on the other hand does have some set asides, but a lot of it’s land - maybe even most of its land is managed in a way that is similar to industrial timberland.

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AltOnMain t1_ja54ojk wrote

I think they use the phrase legacy forest because the term old growth doesn’t really apply to these forests. They are older than some, no doubt but in terms of the natural stand progression or “life” of a PNW forest they are still kinda young. Maybe like teenager or mid 20s if we are using a dog year analogy.

I think the phrase old growth has sort of fallen out of favor as the focus in forest conservation has moved to cultivating complexity rather than old trees

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