That snowy hilly in the back!

Cold. Gorgeous!

Anyways, I reached out to my insurance about why the insurance rate was significantly higher than cash rate.

It’s hard to say. I do know that once insurance has touched it it’s illegal to discount anything off of it. Or at least that’s what I’ve been told.

Do you think I have grounds for taking the chiropractor to small claims court or disputing the credit card charges? I guess I was just confused why when billed insurance there are these extra charges but the cash rate is a standard $50-60 per visit.

Chiropractors are notorious for this (particularly the one I worked for). They loooove adding the “extra spinal manipulation” charge on top of the standard 3-4 regions adjustment. My boss would usually write it off if a patient complained but otherwise would charge everyone that. I could go on and on about the shit they were doing.

> It absolutely is. They make lots money and buy lots of (expensive) stuff. So lots of sales tax loss which is the main way the state budget is funded.

> Also small businesses already pay lots of taxes (big businesses too), and their owners are more likely to move out too.

You convinced me, Oregon had it right.

No sales tax, all income tax.

Wwwhhhaaattt?!?!

They figured out they pay LESS tax in WA with sales tax on “their expensive stuff” than they did in OR with income tax and no sales tax. That’s why they moved in the first place.

Income tax is a more fair way to tax people as a percentage of their income than sales taxes anyway. So yeah… let’s do it!

Good job, u/JackAkexanderTR, you’re a great salesman! 👍

No, just mourning what has happened to a nice area.

It absolutely is. They make lots money and buy lots of (expensive) stuff. So lots of sales tax loss which is the main way the state budget is funded.

Also small businesses already pay lots of taxes (big businesses too), and their owners are more likely to move out too.

> Portland said who cares too, they hate the rich too. Except the rich quickly became upper middle class, than middle class homeowners, and now basically everyone who is making average income.

> And now Portland is losing population year and year, with many of them moving across the river in WA actually..

> If you chase away all the money, eventually you have just poor money and no tax base. When everyone's too poor to pay taxes how will the government be funded and how will the services be provided??

You didn’t seem to understand…

I don’t give a s✨t if I ex-OR residents moved to WA to avoid taxes will have to move out of WA to some other state to avoid taxes.

Why?

Its no fiscal loss to the state

I might care if their $500m/yr in taxes left. But they would have to pay that to the state in the first place make it a loss to the state after they move.

Portland said who cares too, they hate the rich too. Except the rich quickly became upper middle class, than middle class homeowners, and now basically everyone who is making average income.

And now Portland is losing population year and year, with many of them moving across the river in WA actually..

If you chase away all the money, eventually you have just poor money and no tax base. When everyone's too poor to pay taxes how will the government be funded and how will the services be provided??

> I voted for Democrats past few elections and I will 100% not vote for them again at local/state level. What people don't understand is that this will trigger an exodus of wealthy people and large corporations and the state will lost a lot more money than what it will make from this. Look at Portland Oregon chasing away all those "big and evil" corporations and then rich people, and now just regular middle class people because of all the taxes on top of taxes.

Who cares? 🤷‍♂️

They’re not paying taxes so it’s no fiscal loss.

Enjoy living on Wyoming or wherever. 👋

I voted for Democrats past few elections and I will 100% not vote for them again at local/state level. What people don't understand is that this will trigger an exodus of wealthy people and large corporations and the state will lost a lot more money than what it will make from this. Look at Portland Oregon chasing away all those "big and evil" corporations and then rich people, and now just regular middle class people because of all the taxes on top of taxes.

I voted for Democrats past few elections and I will 100% not vote for them again at local/state level. What people don't understand is that this will trigger an exodus of wealthy people and large corporations and the state will lost a lot more money than what it will make from this. Look at Portland Oregon chasing away all those "big and evil" corporations and then rich people, and now just regular middle class people because of all the taxes on top of taxes.

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If you show up early (like 7am-ish), I've never found it to be crowded there, even in the summer. If you show up at noon, the parking lot will be full, and cars will be illegally parked every which way outside of the lot (which requires a pass).

Maybe , I have no idea

I would recommend going before summer , since it will be more crowded then

Any idea why those batches of trees were left in that clearing? Maybe to re-seed the area?

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I live in olympia, so thank you for showing me yet another place I want to go!

If you want to get to the true summit , then yeah you have to scramble up some rocks , but it looked pretty sketchy so I didn’t do it. To get to where I took the pictures , which is where most people stop, it’s not difficult just with microspikes.

Is it easier with snow pack at the top or more difficult? I've heard the hike is pretty hard near the top and requires some scrambling over rocks.

I guess so, I don't listen to the radio. was just trying to help the dude.

I do 24 minute miles lol , maybe it’ll take an average of 2.5-3 hours to get to the top.