Can we instead start with all the people who refuse to leave the left hand lane until 4 seconds before their exit.

Well I mean as far as becoming a commerce center, population density and such. Myself, we are ranchers in the Cascade foothills North of Monroe/Sultan. The "Big City" is not our gig.

Theoretically WSDOT is going to be increasing enforcement of the chains requirements, per this article from a couple of weeks ago: https://komonews.com/news/local/wsp-enforcement-drivers-chain-requirements-passes-mountains-snow-citations-troopers-ticket-wsdot-washington-winter-weather We shall see...

What do the kids in Alaska do? Just stop going to school all winter?

They should get a ticket for not following requirements to chain up or have traction tires. I am sure that some people do.

On an un-related note: does "powder" mean "any new snow" now?

This is the real reason daylight time has stuck around and been extended: people shop more. It’s all about the money

Fuck them kids. Who cares about their safety going to school /s

And flog the 1000's of idiot drivers too.

I think those laws are already in place . But are they enforced, that's another question ❓

No amount of Swix Polar will fix that Styrofoam

Yeah I mean I would love to take the nephew up sledding but I don’t have chains, all season tires, and a 2WD suv. People just force the issue and wing it and wind up in a ditch.

oh wow that's beautiful! I completely forget about my drone during these snow days. definitely need to fly her up sometimes.

Still glad I decided to keep my ass to PA. It was bad enough with people driving like idiots here, I didn’t want to deal with a PT or Ludlow today.

Do not rent a fat tire bike and ride it on that. Cc skiers hate that sh1t

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Lots of northern cities around the world have late sunrises in the winter, and they seem to be doing OK. For today:

Madrid: 8:34am Copenhagen: 8:37am Paris: 8:41am Brussels: 8:42am Stockholm: 8:43am Oslo: 9:17am

That's a nice copy/paste from Google's first hit, but it completely ignores Arizona, Hawaii, Guam, Puerto Rico... And that's just US. (And there are more) Here's a whole list of countries without DST that your quick Google didn't catch: https://greenwichmeantime.com/countries

None of which had anything to do with the point that we already have mismatches in time change that cause the problems you claim would be caused by not participating.

You know we understand how it works right? I want afternoon light, not morning light.

Japan, China and Russia are the only industrialized nations that don't switch clocks. Almost all other nations that don't are tropical so it makes no difference.

It's just another made up first world problem.

It was -9F last night and -11F the night before. It's a balmy +2 right now, and dumping like crazy! Heading to Sun Mountain for some very slow skiing.

I really hope that we aren’t doing DST year round… we should be doing the opposite and keeping standard time year round.

The problems you're pretending would exist already do, and would actually be removed if we all stopped changing the clocks. There are lots of places that don't change them, and even more that change them on a different schedule.

A problem more easily solved by changing school hours than clocks.

part of it for school is transportation; the roads are icy & unsafe before the sun is out in the winter

Keep noon the zenith? You do know that we used to do that before standardized time zones right? Didn't quite work out too good.

Just change the hours we are open? Yeah, real good when you're trying to do business with east coast types. Is it 4 hours or 3 hours or 5 hours difference today? Oh crap, is NJ on DST but NY isn't, what about Indiana again? Not confusing at all.

Why is it so damn hard to just accept DST and all the inconveniences it brings? Clearly the benefits of changing the clocks outweigh a few people being tired for a week or two twice a year.