Recent comments in /f/WorcesterMA

outb0undflight t1_irxqkza wrote

As /u/Kirbyoto points out, American colonists in colonial New England had very few compunctions about selling Native Americans into slavery, so whether or not Quinsigamond Plantation itself had slaves is kind of ignoring the point that it's largely impossible to extricate the word 'Plantation' in America from the practice of slavery. Even if a specific plantation owner didn't own slaves and used entirely paid labor (which is a massive if) they were all part of a system that relied on slavery for sustainability. Why do you think profit margins on goods from the American colonies were so high?

People like OP can point to the fact that Plantations still exist without slavery all they want, but Plantation St. was named after a Plantation that actively took place in the American plantation economy, and that is impossible to divorce from slavery.

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[deleted] OP t1_irxpugs wrote

>OK so when you have free time it's normal but when "the medical school" has people with free time it's obviously a sign that something's wrong. Sure dude.

You understand that the people at the medical school are doing this as part of their actual job, right? The request is made by the medical school.

>Yes. Like I literally don't care if they change it or not. It is meaningless. But watching people like you freak out about it is frankly pathetic. You guys are so desperate for victimhood while decrying it in others.

Again, people don't like when names are changed for no reason. I gave you other examples, but you jump to "victimhood." I know it's trendy in your circles to think that everyone who doesn't agree with you is a far-right extremist, and that it's somehow a "win" to use "victimhood" against such a group, but this type of argumentation doesn't advance your cause. It's an unnecessary annoyance, and you're simply being dishonest when you say that street names don't matter.

>You mean the same Wikipedia page that says plantations are extensively linked with slavery in the American colonies, and even today plantations are associated with para-slavery? Wow, great investigative work. Really cracked the case with that one.

Yes, that article. By definition, plantations are simply crop-bearing areas with houses on them. Everything was a plantation before they started getting called "farms" in the North, well after Quinsigamond Plantation, for which the street was named, came into existence.

>When you say "people" you mean a handful of people like you with too much time on their hands and too much self-importance bemoaning how much everything is changing and it's all so difficult. So yes, all those people are pathetic too. I suggest you get a hobby or something since you apparently have so much free time on your hands that you need to vice-signal about street names to show how much you don't care about racism or whatever. I, for one, do actually have better things to do than listen to you rant.

You unironically call me pathetic and in need of a hobby because I'm engaged online on the same website that you're engaged in.

I'm guessing you don't actually interact with people outside academia, but if you do, you'll find people who are old enough to remember Crystal Park being called Crystal Park resenting its renaming, that people are split on Kilby Street. Try engaging with the public.

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Patient_Customer9827 t1_irxn6hd wrote

Precovid I use to work out of a lot of the coffee shops in the city to get out of my house. These were my favorite.

Acoustic Java (roast their own and easiest place to work) New Tradition Birchtree (partly because of the food as well)

Fuel was pretty good but I like to support an Indy. I wanted to like Grid but I found the coffee to be pretty subpar.

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Kirbyoto t1_irxk9ud wrote

>Currently, I'm waiting for feedback on a document I need to process. Not much else to do.

OK so when you have free time it's normal but when "the medical school" has people with free time it's obviously a sign that something's wrong. Sure dude.

>Just to be clear, street names don't matter

Yes. Like I literally don't care if they change it or not. It is meaningless. But watching people like you freak out about it is frankly pathetic. You guys are so desperate for victimhood while decrying it in others.

>Well, the first picture Wikipedia shows for "plantation"

You mean the same Wikipedia page that says plantations are extensively linked with slavery in the American colonies, and even today plantations are associated with para-slavery? Wow, great investigative work. Really cracked the case with that one.

>People are still angry that Kilby Street's name was changed to whatever it was changed to, that Crystal Park became University Park, and so on. Just talk to any New Yorker over a certain age about 6th Ave vs. Avenue of the Americas and you'll encounter a strong opinion.

When you say "people" you mean a handful of people like you with too much time on their hands and too much self-importance bemoaning how much everything is changing and it's all so difficult. So yes, all those people are pathetic too. I suggest you get a hobby or something since you apparently have so much free time on your hands that you need to vice-signal about street names to show how much you don't care about racism or whatever. I, for one, do actually have better things to do than listen to you rant.

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[deleted] OP t1_irxj1hy wrote

>And what about you? Do you have anything better to do?

Currently, I'm waiting for feedback on a document I need to process. Not much else to do.

>Everyone has GPS now, I don't imagine anyone would really give a shit if not for the race angle.

Just to be clear, street names don't matter, and Worcester streets aren't notoriously complex, and people no longer ask for directions anymore? And the only possible reason that anyone could worry about changing the name of one of the most important streets in the city could be the "race issue"?

>Sure dude. All those famous slavery-free plantations.

Well, the first picture Wikipedia shows for "plantation" is of a current tree plantation in Galilee which is - you guessed it - devoid of slavery.

>"Oh no they're renaming a street" is inventing a problem too. Again, if this wasn't done for race-related reasons, you absolutely wouldn't care. If they were renaming a street to honor a local hero or just because it sounded better, nobody on the planet would give a shit.

When they rename a street to honor a hero, they generally do that for a block or so and use both names.

People are still angry that Kilby Street's name was changed to whatever it was changed to, that Crystal Park became University Park, and so on. Just talk to any New Yorker over a certain age about 6th Ave vs. Avenue of the Americas and you'll encounter a strong opinion.

If they came and said, "We want to renamed Grafton Street because it just doesn't roll off the tongue well," do you think people wouldn't care?!

So what, what's the reason for changing the name? Who exactly has a problem with just leaving it as it is?!

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