Holden is nice. I grew up on the Worcester-Holden line. Asians will feel at home in Worcester or the immediate surrounding towns.

This is so fucking stupid, what's racist is that we have a growing homeless population mostly of African american descent and other minority groups that the city doesn't do enough for. That's racist. We need to stop caring about small stuff and change the real problems that will actually make a difference in people's lives. Changing plantation street's name is just one reason why the right side of the aisle hates the left. All we do is virtue signal stupidity and don't take care of the real problems in the community.

I grew up on Plantation Street, learn some history of the city before you jump on the woke train.

I personally don’t mind the street name but we can do something with them damn potholes , now that would be a problem worth fixing

I'm not exactly rich and I live in Holden. I live next to these mcmansions though and I'm sure they think my house is an eyesore. I'm also a minority. I'll tell you unless your rich or white, the people in this town don't bother to talk to you.

doing over an existing gas station has a multitude of tasks that are safety related

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it's not like doing over a McDonalds (3 months)

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there are other factors that are mostly safety or environmental related

>Yes it's almost like Quinsigamond Plantation isn't tremendously important to history and the people furiously defending its namesake are just looking for things to be upset about. Again, did you know a single thing about it before today?

It is very important to the history of the area and country.

>Name one thing about it without Googling right now.

The Johnson massacre.

>And I answered about slaves. I told you about slavery, and genocide to boot. So it sounds like you're just looking for a distraction.

A distraction?

>Are you? Do you make sure all the products you use are made without slave labor? Or are you "virtue signalling" right now?

I do. I use sites like still made in the US and others before I purchase most things. It really does not matter to the conversation though, as I am not trying to change the name of anything.

>Pushing against it for effectively no reason is shallower.

No reason? Why do you say that?

don't focus on a breed a rescue is better deal, already house broken too THe worc Animal rescue has too many pitbulls (too risky but they're smart and have high energy)

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Look up rescue dogs by breed online and see if there are places

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you may have to travel 100 miles to get what you want though

1000000% OP doesn't even make sense with their own logic since Novick already removed cops from schools. Making them unsafer 🤷‍♀️

Shits dumb AF

Lol I thought they were already out of business and I drive by everyday 🤷🏻‍♀️

Baypath Humane Society in Hopkinton

I'm kind of convinced that this meaningless activism like changing the name of a street is some kind of psyop to make people think that they're actually accomplishing something in the name of social justice, when in truth that's not doing jack shit.

I know far too many people who act like they just solved the world hunger when a town caves and renames a street name or bus terminal or something like that

Your original argument was that the name Plantation was harmless in the context of Worcester history.

I repeatedly demonstrated the problems with your assumptions based off of cursory Google searches. To do so, I pointed out historical events you hadn’t googled yet.

Now you keep moving the goalposts in an attempt to save face by saying I want to change lots of place names. I don’t. Your misdirection is not working.

If you would care to educate yourself about the colonial history of enslavement I recommend the following books I’ve read on the subject:

Our Beloved Kin - Lisa Brooks This Land Is Their Land - David Silverman The Other Slavery - Andrés Reséndez The Indian Slave Trade - Alan Gallay

And if you’re not inclined to read a book, Frank James’ article “A National Day of Mourning” might help get the points I’m making across in less time.

And for the record, it’s a People’s History of the United States, not a People’s History of America. If you had read that book, maybe you might not have shown your ignorance of colonial history on a public forum. Zinn does briefly cover Massachusetts colonial history in the first chapter.

>You can’t understand history from 5 minutes of Google searches. Read some books instead.

Maybe you should read something besides A People's History of the United States. I assure you; it would be illuminating.

Again, you're going round and round, pushing away from the word "plantation" to anything connected to the original settlers who - and one doesn't need vast knowledge to learn this - mistreated the Native Americans, etc. That's because you know that in this context the word "plantation" isn't offensive or reminiscent of anything besides a farm, so you have to say, "Well, the people who gave it that name weren't so good." And, again, I point you to the fact that these very same people named essentially everything around us that doesn't have a Native name. You'll next want to change the name of Rice Square (a settler!), Worcester (named by settlers who conquered the land!), Pilgrim Street (the first settlers!), Puritan Ave (that's what the Pilgrim's were!), and so on. After all "the same Pilgrim" gave all these names. Why the fixation on Plantation Street?

EDIT: Fixed the name of the Zinn title.

Stop googling historical facts to support a weak argument.

Worcester’s first settlement was 1673, not 1637 like your Wikipedia article states.

You know what did happen in the area in 1637? English colonists started the Pequot War, and either killed or enslaved the Pequots, wiping out the tribe.

Quinsigamond is the Nipmuc name of the lake. Plantation was added by the English settlers. Those same settlers who killed and stole all this land from its original inhabitants.

I’m glad you speak for everyone, including the black community. Particularly on a post where you solicited opinions you can’t handle.

Your original argument is that Plantation shouldn’t be an offensive name here in Worcester, thanks to five minutes of googling that introduced you to the words Quinsigamond Plantation.

I’ve pointed out the main flaw in your argument, namely that English colonists here in Worcester and Massachusetts actively enslaved Nipmuc people, (also Pequots, Narragansetts, Wampanoags, etc.) They were sold to large sugar plantations in the Caribbean.

So sure, a Pilgrim called his farm a plantation, and you, the amateur Google historian thinks that was harmless, not one of the ‘bad plantations’. But that same Pilgrim also stole that land and either killed or enslaved the original inhabitants, or waited for them to die from an imported European disease so he could have that ‘plantation.’

You can’t understand history from 5 minutes of Google searches. Read some books instead.

Hahah yea that’s fair

Is this guy still around?

https://youtu.be/lHPENvxoer0

None of it has anything to do with the specific use of the word "plantation." which simply meant "farm" when it was introduced here. If you're honest, you have to admit that your argument isn't with the term "plantation,' but with any name associated with the settlers, which is, pretty much, most of the non-Native American names. So why not just be honest and say you want to rename the most of the city?

You're stretching and stretching to somehow connect "Plantation" to slavery. Your argument is, essentially, "the word 'Plantation' is connected to the people who settled the area, so it's therefore connected to slavery and must be changed." Guess what? So is "Worcester" and so is "Pilgrim" and so is "Puritan" and so are a million other names around here.

Thanks for the info, I’ll check to see if they’re right for us

That’s hilarious! Lol idk why it’s so funny to me but it is. No meaning whatsoever

Thank you I’ll look into them