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Do you have oil or radiator heat?

The vast majority of people I see littering are people in cars. And not junky cars. I saw my co-worker do this in front of our school where we work. And I know he makes more than 90k and has a master's degree. The issue isn't poverty... it's people being raised not to care at all about other people. And yes, he is an awful teacher, too. Not everything is poverty. People have to have a sense of responsibility and a little bit of moral decency. The government can't provide that.

Yes, ours has been that high this winter- insulation plays a big part- we have old windows and lose a lot of heat that way. I think prices are just higher this winter too with inflation.

No easy way out if escaping by vehicle? Traffic there is a mess.

…also too strong of a word for birds

Every day, a husband and wife toss their trash from each of their cars into the street. Right there by their car or under the car they parked next to. Not to mention of their cars leaks large amounts of oil daily.

I would suggest joining neighborhood pages on FB and sometimes there are parenting groups for respective neighborhoods. I’ve met a lot of good friends through those. Creative alliance has some Kerplunk programs for adults and kids. AVAM has fun ones throughout the year that are usually free. The library is great for activities if the child isn’t in daycare/school. Nature centers have good events too.

Don't forget lower SW BalCo. Arbutus is below Catonsville, has several neighborhoods of differing socioeconomic levels from working class to middle class. Its an area which was part of the new suburbs in 1910-1920, Haelthorpe is post WWII single family subirban. St Denis is an interesting late Victorian village.

Elkridge might be inserted here, though I think it may be more Howard County.

Going farther south is Landsdowne and English Counsel. Similar to Dundalk & Essex, working class whites, but not as big an area nor has the large amount of tacky commercial.

I almost forgot Paradise. This is along Frederick Ave inside the Beltway, often glomed in with Old Catonsville. It is a real mix of working class, middle class, mostly pre WWII housing, but in fairly good condition.

Oddly the north central part of the county is bucolic horse country. Large amounts of that area were put out of the reach of developers (yes several developers have/had their estates in this area) Most of the land is kept to multi acre plots so the wealthy can live like English royalty.

Having worked in the County for years, though a transplant from MoCo, I think what struck me as odd, when I moved to the area, was how much bile county people have against the city. The city that many of the families of those angry people fled in the post war years.

It’s called mobtown moms the exchange II on fb. You have to be invited to join by a member. But it’s easy to get someone to request your invite.

Ok but sheesh no need to rob the place

I sometime go to Canton Crossing. When I do, I think I am in Hunt Valley or Columbia. Its not a feeling I am comfortable with. My guess is that was the aim of the developer. Most of the people who frequent the shopping center could easily fit in with a suburban setting.

In today's America, you're hired! In fact you might actually be over qualified.

Great place and it's usually an older crowd but you'll feel welcomed no matter your age.

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It wasn't a critique of their comment at all, but a critique of the opponents who are simultaneously demanding more parking in the project and complaining about potential traffic. You can't have it both ways. I upvoted failsafe.

They move in with the “artists”, but that’s 3rd wave after the gays/LGBTQ during the second wave.

I wish I knew this when I watched the lady driving in front of me chuck all her McDonald's shit out her car window. I was stunned. I've seen littering in my day but that was so blatant.

Why more so than robbing a bank anywhere else?

Just give us reliable public transportation you fuckheads!

This shit really bothers me. However, it’s hard to see how folks would have respect for their environment when they are fighting for their lives due to abject poverty caused by failed systems all around them. Sure all the vacant houses don’t help either. There is just so much that needs fixing.

All I know is when I was a kid… those little rear wheel bike seat attachments for small kids / toddlers were popular. ( where they sit on top of the wheel )

Now?

It seems like the most batshit insane idea ever. It’s on par with letting a toddler sit up front on a bench seat with no seat belt back in the 60s.

You may be talking about the ones that are hitched on like a bike trailer though.. but even one of those in the city… fuck that. And fuck that especially if the bike rider isn’t following the rules of the road.

Yeah unfortunately the Tiki barge has been abandoned for years. Never did go there.

I see your point, but let me pose a question:

If you’re traveling in a place you’ve never been and will never come back to, do you just throw trash on the ground? After all, you don’t have any connection to or “investment” in the place whatsoever.

I suspect the answer for the vast majority of people is “no”.

Sure, there’s a larger disenfranchisement issue in Baltimore, but there’s a lot of generally jerk behavior here and in the rest of the world as well.

I think there’s also a distinction to be made between people littering in already abused (“disinvested”) areas where we might see littering as a more expected behavior, given your critique, and people littering in otherwise “kept-up areas” (whatever that may mean and why) — I’ve definitely seen flagrant littering in both.

There’s also a decent amount of illegal littering in rural areas, but it’s just more spread out. Interesting research here.

I’d also like to take this moment to remind everyone that most cigarette butts don’t actually decompose quickly. Somehow most smokers (which was for many years practically a majority of Americans) take it for granted that tossing butts is totally fine. Not sure if this is related or not.

Linear thinking produces linear results; creative thinking produces creative results. Guessing there were infinite ways for this to go down. Rather than catch the ball, they opted for the wait for it to stop rolling and pick it up.