Not really, but the push for recalls like this is a relatively new tactic for the right-wing, so I'd guess we'll find out over time if it's as exploitable in other states as they push there.

One thing that did stand out to me was since this proposal is built off of language that's in Baltimores original charter it left a lot more room for exploitation from the minority party than if you'd build a recall system from the ground up (with the goal of being fair in the first place). But I think that's the point though.

And hey, sorry but I gotta drop out and get off reddit for the day. I do sometimes have a job...ha

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Does this happen in the 19 states that already have recall elections?

>I know there will be harsh criticism of this, especially on this sub, but if people vote for it, then isn't that democracy in action?

Sure. But I think it is one of those issues with a ton of unintended consequences. People want more accountability from politicians, and this will end up giving even more power to special interests and corporations.

Considering that like 2/5ths of our last mayors are now convicted criminals and there is still a Mosby in power, I'd be good with having the ability to do recall elections.

>Right now there is zero recourse for a politician that promises something and then does a 180 on it immediately upon getting elected.

We do not elect people for life.

Recalling a senator or judge might make some sense to me since they are elected for such long terms, but people on 4 years or less aren't going to serve a significantly shorter term than normal since recalls take so long (and how long do you need to judge that a person has "done a 180")?

For every one person you get removed from office you gum up how government works a ton and make special interests (like Sinclair) far more powerful, since they have the money to organize a recall and fund what would certainly turn into endless elections.

Wait, you mean those semi-regular posts with totally not racist white savior types treating black folks as interesting specimens to subject their children to in school are not indicative of racism? Or the consent decree that was issued in response to the discovery of a systemic, deeply-ingrained racist policing policy? Or the dog whistling on apps like Citizen/Neighbors?

I really question if half of the people on this sub actually leave the house. Seems like the "Reddit reality" is quite often at odds with "actual reality." A great example there is Atlas. On Reddit they are the worst thing ever, worse than Hitler and Putin's love child. In practice the Atlas clientele is often composed of many folks that they allegedly (according to Reddit) discriminate against.

Yes that's why I said "really strongly motivated opposition", since once the minority gets the recall as long as they show up in strong numbers they have a better chance of 'winning' the recall then they did in the original election.

Let's say you have a minority party who's candidate get 30% of the vote and they lose to the 70% majority. That 30% will be able to force a recall election almost immediately, then the 70% that just voted originally for the winner will have to turn out again in almost the same numbers as for the first election to win (which they almost certainly won't).

They way it's setup basically allows the minority to force new elections until they get a low enough overall voter turnout to win. Like I said this allows for a dedicated minority to basically harass the rest of the electorate into perpetual campaigns and voting just to let the majority winner serve out the original terms even if they have majority support.

Politicians are generally driven by the same thing as all of us: they want to keep their job. So elections are still the way to hold people accountable for their promises.

Corruption is a justice system issue. Blowing up the election system will not fix it. I think it will make it way worse because every mayor will know they are going to get kicked out of office in a year or two, or at the minimum have to raise money for constant elections (so we simply get more politicians in corps hands).

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I have never seen a single person that wasn’t on his payroll say the move is good. He didn’t even try to justify to us why it would be good, he just forced it through over the objections of the comptroller and the city council. It seems like an obviously corrupt action that we are going to be reading about in two years when it comes out that BGE bought him a vacation house or something.

You make a very good point about short term vs long term goals, but what do we do then? How do we get politicians to actually do what they promise? How do we stop them from being so nakedly corrupt? It’s so frustrating.

Had to look it up to get the joke lol. It kind of reminds me of the Brass Rail back home, except that had to close because the patrons died off.

Recalling a politician every time they do something you do not approve of is exactly the issue. Tons of people think the action he is taking with BGE is good, and many do not. We elect people to make these tough choices, and we live with the consequences of our collective votes. Cutting every politicians knees off at every turn will make it so no politician ever makes an unpopular or difficult decision. No one will ever sacrifice short term for long term. And special interests (like Sinclair) will have a TON more power, since they have the money to organize a recall; a threat they can constantly dangle.

It is not like we elect people for life or anything. If you don't like Scott, you will have the chance to replace him soon. It is not like recalls are swift. They simply gum up the works.

And the answer to corruption is within the justice system, not by blowing up the elections system.

LMAO at the idea there isn’t racism in Baltimore. You are absolutely mad.

That is not true. A minority can call the election (because you can’t be expected to get hundreds of thousands of signatures) but it still takes a majority vote to actually recall.

How do we counter the constant stream of corrupt politicians we somehow end up with then? I was excited about Brandon Scott but now he is directly going against the voters and the city council to sell our conduits to BGE and we have no recourse. If we had the possibility to recall him I bet he would not be so brazenly corrupt.

>People gain faith in government and community cohesion builds.

I am happy you have had a good experience, but this does feel a little like the Republican characteristic of never caring about a thing (or thinking it is bad) until it directly affects you. Our government does thousands of things like this (or, you know, way more impactful) to help people every day just in the city alone.

I don't have time today to go back and pull it all up but if I'm remembering correctly the exact wording of how the recall elections should happen would allow a very dedicated minority of voters to recall the majority winner of an election. So even if the mayor was popular, as long as you had a really strongly motivated opposition party, even if that party was much smaller, it would basically have a veto over the majority of voters. That's what they are going for with it.

Once again why do you think Sinclair gets to choose? You are so confused my guy. They have no impact on who the voters get to pick.

Noted.

In California they used it to recall the judge that let Brock Turner off. They also recalled lots of politicians that failed to live up to their campaign promises, which seems awesome to me. Right now there is zero recourse for a politician that promises something and then does a 180 on it immediately upon getting elected.

Ahh so your solution is to replace corrupt politicians with traitors and insurrectionists? That’s what Sinclair is all about. Maybe do a little research next time, so maybe you’ll sound as smart as you think you do. You sound like you’d be happier living in Andy Harris’ district.

lol yeah, I never thought I’d see anybody in r/Baltimore downplay our hometown racism.

re: airports, Boston is fairly close to both Manchester and Providence and depending on where exactly you live, either could be easier/quicker to get to than Logan. I’ve never been to Manchester, but TF Green is pretty similar to BWI. Personally, I’d rather drive to Providence than try to wrangle luggage on the blue line.