Recent comments in /f/baltimore

cologne_peddler t1_ixgjcya wrote

>The overall trend still holds.

No. The "overall trend" does not hold lol. That's exactly what those words I quoted from your source detected. That it doesn't.

>Obviously, there are other problems in Baltimore that would prevent just throwing a bunch of extra cops into the streets from being an effective solution.

Mhm. That's very observant of you. It would invalidate this paragraph-breakless epistle of yours, and yet you forged ahead anyway.

>You can try all you want to make it seem like I'm advocating for blind reliance on policing to solve all of our problems with crime, but I don't believe that and I never said that.

You're making unfounded assertions about the efficacy of a destructive institution. If that's not advocating for blind reliance, I don't know what is.

>In my initial comment, I said that creating the perception of swift and certain punishment was ONE WAY to reduce crime, and it can work here too. BPD needs to restore trust with our communities in order to be effective, and they clearly have a long way to go. But it's not as if Baltimore is so unlike any other city that policing could never be a viable option for crime deterrence.

It's an unproven way to reduce crime you mean. Anyhow, in your initial comment, you painted this as a near term solution to homicides in Baltimore. Now you're saying BPD has "a long way to go" to restore trust in order to be effective. So it's not a near-term solution at all. Not only is your reasoning faulty, you're also inconsistent.

>But it's not as if Baltimore is so unlike any other city that policing could never be a viable option for crime deterrence. European countries have much larger police forces per capita than we do here, and their crime rates are significantly lower.

"European countries?" Putting aside that you're comparing a non-uniform assortment of nations, you're just presuming that their lower crime rates are due to the size of their police forces. Typical causation/correlation fuckup. And I'm being generous by taking your word on the correlation.

>There's a reason there aren't any large cities without police: Policing works, no matter how politically inconvenient that may be for you.

Policing works because large cities have police? This is such puerile reasoning lol.

Endowing cops results in people of color being brutalized at the hands of the government. That's not "politically inconvenient" for me, privileged white guy, its a threat to my existence.

>And, to reiterate what I said before, all of this should be in addition to materially improving peoples lives and outcomes.

Yea, let's empower a violently racist institution to pursue a course of action of unproven benefit. Experimental state violence is OK as long as we run it alongside materially improving lives 🙄. That's such an easy call to make from one's perch in Federal Hill.

How about this - just improve material circumstances. That has a closer correlation to crime rates than turning cops loose in the streets with nebulous mandates. Your crime and punishment fetish can wait.

>But, to cast policing aside as a way to deter crime is to spit in the face of the people who actually live in the communities torn apart by violent crime who are asking for more police

Lmao white guy engages in selective hearing of Black people, uses cherrypicked points of view to support his sophistry. This scam is as old as racism in America itself.

I'm sure you don't actually know anyone in a disadvantaged community of color, but the feeling that cops are a net negative is fairly common one. The idea that there's a universal desire for more boots on the ground is fucking laughable. But tell me more about spitting in faces...

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eggrollking t1_ixg4aa4 wrote

I like their pizza, but I had an order my wife had put in for delivery thru Door Dash, which DD ended up canceling for some reason. My wife called Ribaldi's to see if we can just come pick up, and he says, 'Yeah, we have the order, just give us like 20 minutes.'

I showed up to pick it up, and they tell me that they don't have the food for me to pick up, or the order to even know what it was. No intention to try to make things right, etc. Shit's not that good.

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rockybalBOHa t1_ixfz150 wrote

I guess I'm the "cryptoconservative"? Nice word you made up there.

I don't consider myself a conservative. I'm more of a pragmatist. I see what has worked in other cities and think that's what needs to happen here because no one has done it any other way. Sure, it would be great if people could make any neighborhood safe and prosperous without population turnover, but that hasn't been the reality in America, and I doubt Baltimore is going to be the first city to figure it out.

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