Recent comments in /f/baltimore

MrsToneZone t1_j0x0o7c wrote

True. But having worked with incarcerated youth, I can tell you that their juvenile status essentially equates to a “get out of jail free” card for most of them. Literally. From their mouths, I’ve heard almost these exact words. I often wonder if a more serious consequence (including an attempt at ACTUAL treatment) would serve as a more effective response to the epidemic of youth-related violent crimes.

Of course, empowering families, invigorating education, providing employment support, redesigning the penal and juvenile justice systems, and improving access to free reproductive health care resources (including birth control and abortion) would be the actual solution to the problem.

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who_took_my_foreskin t1_j0wzy0t wrote

I believe if criminals knew there's a good chance they'll be shot for attacking people then maybe they'd think long and hard about doing it. Just an example: someone breaks in the house at ground level. I'm in the basement and the rest of my family is on the second floor. If the person committing the home invasion takes one step up(towards my family) or down (towards me, my lady, and my pup) the stairs, I'm yelling, "I have a gun, one more step and I'm using it". If they chose to turn tail and leave, so be it and thank God I didn't have to end their life, BUT (and this is regardless of any laws or duties) that second step is all the information I need to know they are making an informed decision to put their own life at risk and I shouldn't be at fault for what happens to them. If they don't care about their life why should I? That being said, I'd never shoot a man in the back unless he's faced away, trying to go up the aforementioned stairs towards my family that I hold dear. At that point he was given the chance to leave and instead chose violence, but that doesn't mean I'd dump a drum in his back, one or two should suffice. But to say I'd have sympathy for the criminal at that point would be laughable. I'd have much more sympathy for the family that holds the criminal dear, because they could lose someone they love and that's not a great feeling. I'd rather be judged by 12 instead of carried by 6(or being one of the 6). I think dtr wouldn't apply since I'm home and wouldn't have a route to retreat and even if I could, I'm not leaving my family that can't. How would you feel if you retreated and the criminal stole your weapon and then killed innocent folks with it? or worse killed your family that wasn't able to retreat? Could you take that on your conscience, knowing that if you'd have just put one in his chest, you could have saved the lives of those the criminal may kill? I couldn't. At the same time, I think standing your ground outside the home when escape is an option, is not necessary and that you should do what you can to avoid a conflict if possible. You don't always have to look for trouble, sometimes it finds you with your metaphorical pants down, and you should be able to react accordingly. Again I'll say one or two shots should suffice, but if you shoot a man and then stand over him and dump a mag or a drum in them, then you are guilty of murder. Once the threat is neutralized, the weapon should be holstered and an ambulance called as well as maybe make an attempt to stop their bleeding if you feel safe enough to do so. At that point "if he dies, he dies🤷🏽‍♂️" it's not the outcome I'd hope for, but the decision was their own. I think SYG should apply at home and DTR should be for outside the home. I believe MD has some version of castle doctrine in place for events in the home, and if not we should.

TLDR: if they come for my family,in my home, they'd better like hollow point .45 rounds and .410 slugs, the JUDGE in my house fires both and the JURY is a long way off of making a decision. Outside the home I'd retreat if possible, since I don't actively want to make a family mourn. No sympathy for the results of a criminals choices, but thoughts and prayers to their family. "you're going on a t-shirt bucko, I hope you like fake clouds and closed caskets"

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MotoSlashSix t1_j0wxkml wrote

I don’t know where you got that information but this is false. Open carry states do not get safer after OC passes. I lived in an open carry state for years before and after the law passed. Violent crime increased after the open carry law was passed. The same happened in Florida after SYG passed.

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wbruce098 t1_j0wxe1c wrote

Amen.

There’s a statistically probable chance that, if I stay here long enough, I’ll get robbed at least once. But the chance of me getting straight up murdered (without being an agitator or involved in drugs/gangs) is much, much lower. That kid’s life is more valuable than the inconvenience to me of replacing some cards, maybe a phone, or $40 cash. Assuming I actually have cash on me.

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wbruce098 t1_j0wwf4y wrote

Agreed. I’d rather lose my wallet and making take a punch to the face than have someone’s death on my conscience. If it comes down to it, sure I’ll defend myself, but I, personally, wouldn’t want to live with that decision if I can avoid it. Besides, SYG ups the stakes in a real situation where many of us say deadly force is justified: by whipping out that gun, I could also be a lot more likely to get shot myself. Am I as fast, accurate, and desperate to kill as the other guy?

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willybestbuy86 t1_j0wrnkl wrote

I guess my question before i give an answer is what does the current law mean in the confines of your home

If someone breaks in to my home at night and I'm standing face to face and ask them to get out and they don't or move forward is that enough to cover the retreat

If I hear a burglar and I come out with a gun (cuz truth be told I don't know if they have one) and I say freeze and they don't does that cover retreat?

Or in those scenarios do I need to try to retreat out of my own home and then if they follow then I can defend?

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r3d51v3 t1_j0wrk2d wrote

I don’t think the legality of the kid carrying a gun has bearing on his right to self defense. He could have been guilty of a gun crime, but still be not guilty on the homicide due to self defense. Initially it seemed to me he was defending himself, however after seeing the video, it looks like he shot the aggressor as he retreated, which is not self defense.

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saltyjohnson t1_j0wqmw0 wrote

No, your use of force must be reasonable. You can't shoot an unarmed person for trying to take your TV, but maybe you can smack them in the leg with a baseball bat, depending on the circumstances. To say "you cannot retaliate if they're trying to steal property" is technically true, but you can defend property using reasonable force.

But honestly, that's what homeowners' and renters' insurance is for. Keep your priceless things hidden in a safe, but let them take your TV, who cares.

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