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pedestrianpinniped t1_j6gwvth wrote

I get where you're coming from but I would say expand your empathy a bit. Could just be dicks but I suspect many of the comments like this come from people who spent weeks/months/years simmering in frustration watching someone they cared about repeatedly refusing to leave an obviously abusive relationship. It is not only traumatic to the direct victim.

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the-soaring-moa t1_j6gwnpr wrote

The idea that AI won't be able to replace creators is naive. Of course it will. It will 100% be able to and it will do it better than people can imagine.

Decent AI will eventually be able to take all of the data you throw at it including all the books/stories/movies/people/places/trips etc you've loved and hated in the past and churn out a perfectly tailored story just for you and you will completely love it.

AI will communicate with other AI and learn faster and better than humans ever would be able it. It could take every story ever written since the beginning of recorded time and use all of it as inspiration. No human could ever replicate that.

There will likely be different categories, Human authors and AI authors. And some staunch holdouts will always complain that humans are better for some bullshit reason.

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Fahrenheyt t1_j6gw6pq wrote

I finished reading "A Phoenix first must burn", and wanted something different, someone on reddit mentionned it so i'm reading Tower of God it's a korean webtoon, I don't know if it counts as "reading" but i'm enjoying it, i'm 400 chapters in and read all of them in like a week. Absolutely crazy world building and character development, first time reading something like this and I like it

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not_dead_7214 t1_j6gvpzb wrote

I am a Literature student, so we are given readings to write about afterwards. The last reading for one class is Viktor Frankl's "Man's Search for Meaning" and we were only required to read Part One of it. I have already finished it in December, but I am currently continuing the second half of the book because it is eye-opening and inspiring in a way that puts me in his shoes when he was reminiscing specific moments in the concentration camp/s, but at the same time, I get to acquire life takeaways from the book.

I have not read non-fiction books in so long, so diving into Frankl's work grounded me somehow that I still live in the real world and that there was a reality that I did not get to live but it happened. It's a memoir--a slice of life-- and a heart-clenching literary piece.

I would love to have a physical copy of this because I am only reading a PDF version so I'm planning to buy one soon :)

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MrdrOfCrws t1_j6gvbod wrote

I agree. I'm a pretty... agreeable reader. So if I notice that it's become a ghost writer then it's pretty explicit. Given what even I've noticed in ghost written works ( that keep getting churned out, obviously for money) yes; I think AI could get a pretty solid start.

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cmererestmychemistry t1_j6gv90g wrote

I'm currently reading The Prose Edda by Snorri Sturluson. From my understanding, it's the source of most of the things we know about Norse mythology. I can see how much it has influenced so many other books, games, movies, art, etc.

I'm also reading (very very slowly) Anathem by Neal Stephenson. The thing about this that captivates me is the how the author is able to transport me into the story. I feel like I'm right there with the characters; I usually don't feel like that with many books I read so it's great for me.

I've recently started reading Beneath The Wheel by Hermann Hesse. I've read some of this other books and short stories like Demian and Strange News From Another Star. His writing is easy to understand and really moves me. He seems to write a lot about spirituality and embracing both the good and evil in things, and finding beauty in it (that's how I interpret it anyway).

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rivvn t1_j6gun40 wrote

Authors will probably evolve to use AI in their writing process. Maybe they'll write some key scenes and an outline, look at the options chatgpt spits out for the scenes they're having trouble writing, select and tweak passages. Maybe seeing the options will spark new ideas. Either way, AI can only work off of data that it was fed. I am actually really curious to see what an AI trained on extremely prolific writers like Terry Pratchett or Stephen King would come back with, but there will always be a need for an author's sense for good writing and the overall flow of the piece.

Presumably the same arguments about training sets and compensation will also happen with prose. For the record, I do think non public domain artists should be compensated in some way for having their work used in a data training set. Doubly so if it's a set that's exclusively their work (ie. telling AI to generate a painting in the style of Greg Rutkowski).

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krokett-t t1_j6gu7v5 wrote

AI can be trained on a huge number of art and can simulate the style of an author/poet. However AI can't create their own art, they can only create derivative art. Even than as the AI doesn't understand what's it's doing it'll likely have nonsensical parts, especially if it's a longer work. So it's basically creates glorified fanart.

If AI can reach general intelligence, so it actually understands what it's doing, then it can create new art. That said it's questionable if AI can reach general intelligence (it is possible, but not 100% sure) and if it reaches it, than when will it be.

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thewidowgorey t1_j6gtz4o wrote

Write your own stories you nerds, or leave it to the people who know what they’re doing. You don’t need to use a machine to mine their work for alleged original content.

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manshamer t1_j6gto9e wrote

Don't AI basically regurgitate stolen material, slightly reworded? I would think the odds of an AI novel containing copywrited passages would be too high for any publisher to take a chance on. Unless I am misunderstanding

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Sentsuizan t1_j6gtg5r wrote

No, AI can't really replace any Creator role. It can be a pretty good tool to help come up with or flesh out new ideas in a way that is consistent with successful projects.

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Autarch_Kade t1_j6gt8aw wrote

Yeah, it's really a matter of when, not if. And the rate of advancement (and investment) into AI has been explosive in the last few years.

AI poetry has been done well enough to fool people. Longer forms of writing like essays have been done. A novel isn't so far off I'd say.

If a machine can do someone's job, then there won't be as many people needed for that job. Take making clothes, for example. We have massive amounts of machines that take the raw materials, convert to fabric, sew into clothes. But there is still room for bespoke goods that command a much higher price.

So yeah, a lot of authors won't be able to sell their books. Their ideas won't be as interesting, as well written, or have as much mass appeal. But some will still be successful.

The people who should be the most worried are the people most replaceable, the bottom rung.

Capital goods have that effect. But overall, it's a good thing. More people will have access to more books, for cheaper. You could tell an AI what kind of book you want to read, and get it within minutes, maybe seconds.

Truth is, authors are successful when people want to read their stories. AI can't stop that from happening. If they want to write, they can. If they produce work worse than billions of other books, well, blaming a machine won't solve anything.

I wonder how many artists or authors complaining about this are willing to stop using alarm clocks in favor of paying someone to come beat on the outside of their windows to wake them up heh

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Thornescape t1_j6gssfu wrote

I think that it's important to realize that "AI Art" of all kinds aren't working alone. None of them are, on anything large scale.

  • A human requests a specific thing that they are interested in. They instigate the process.
  • The AI churns out a ton of different results, some awful, some mediocre, some good, because they don't know the difference.
  • A human sifts through all the results, picking through the good and the bad to find something that they personally thing is worth using.
  • (optional) A human might tweak the final result to make it better and more interesting.

Many new tools have changed industries, like the printing press or electric drill or overhead crane, often changing the number of workers needed and how they are used. AI is the same, and it's probably not going away.

Complaining about AI is like complaining about digital art vs physical painting. Yes, photoshop changed a ton of things. Does that mean that photoshop should be banned? Or is it just a tool?

AI will change a lot of things. However, all progress does that. I don't think that AI will simply "replace authors". They'll simply change part of the process in some situations.

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