People can't afford the new consoles but they can afford a new game. They're profit maxxing because of relative wage decline and two recessions. It's basically just economics.

I'm not sure how "available" next gen consoles are atm. I managed to get a ps5 3 months after release and that was entirely through luck. Maybe availability isn't helping with dropping pre-gen consoles.

AAA games are stagnant because they don't set trends anymore they merely repeat what worked in the past with a shinier coat/ recycle ideas from indie games that have done well. they're not unique and graphics can only do so much to help a game.

clearly didn't read what i put properly, my entire perspective was as a pc user.

just buy a PC

You could sell the consoles and keep the money. What kind of games would you play on the oculus? Would you really use it?

this heavily dpeends on what you're considering "supported" as im mainly arguing for a transition of games no longer being released or heavily updated for the current console, which definitely hasnt been the case for 13 years on the xbox 360, the xbox 360's last release was in 2015, and im not suggesting we shut down all of the servers for old gen consoles.

And honestly i think a decade is more than enough support when it comes to releasing new games. when you think back to 2013, the release of the original xbox one and ps4 and think about what games looked like then vs now and then look at the hardware inside those consoles, retiring them seems perfectly fair, releasing content updates for the games currently on the console and supporting servers for another 3-4 year seems perfectly reasonable, i just dont think we should be releasing 90 percent of games that come out to these platforms still.

ofcourse this is just my opinion but i think that gaming is stagnating a little, though this is primarily visible in the triple A scene, i think the major reason we're seeing such messes from the triple A scene and really ONLY the triple A scene is because of the fact that they're trying to optimise their games for so many platforms, indie titles that are largely locked out of the console market are fairing much better and have become my primary source of gaming nowadays because the quality is honestly at such a standard that i dont think i'd consider buying any triple A games and havent for years because they simply release complete buggy messes that also fail to have anything truly desirable and new about them.

and to be fair, anti consumerism is literally the motto of the console world, these are the platforms that throw money at developers to lock their games down to their platform, charge you exorbitant prices to talk to your friends and unlock a lot of functionality out of your games and charge developers money to update their games leading to a practice of games becoming absolutely content barren on consoles on titles like payday and such, in many ways tightening the hardware gap lightens the load on developers and increases the ceiling potential in a way that i think benefits everyone whilst still allowing those who dont wish to upgrade to enjoy the games they own for several years to come simply being realistic and saying "yeah you know what this console simply can't run these games anymore" because honestly even rdr2 a game that came out 4 years ago, looks pretty much unplayable on an original xbox one... a pixelated grainy mess...

Personally, I disagree. I wholeheartedly believe that the shortening of life cycles in order to render previous generations obsolete sooner and sell more consoles and more software over and over again across different iterations of the same console is a terrible practice and entirely anti-consumer. The PS4 is certainly getting a bit old, but in the grand scheme of things it could still go for at least several more years without its support window being unusual, let alone excessive.

I looked a few things up just to help contextualize this conversation:

NES was supported for 12 years;

Sega Master System was supported for 9 years, or even still currently depending on which region you look at;

TurboGrafx16 was supported for 7 years;

SNES was supported for 13 years;

Sega Genesis was supported for 11 years;

NeoGeo was supported for 14 years;

N64 was supported for 6 years;

GameCube was supported for 6 years;

PlayStation was supported for 12 years;

XBox was supported for 5 years;

PlayStation 2 was supported for 13 years;

XBox360 was supported for 11 years;

Wii was supported for 7 years;

PlayStation 3 was supported for 11 years;

Wii U was supported for 5 years;

Switch is currently at 5 years;

Xbox One is currently at 9 years;

PlayStation 4 is currently at 9 years.

for me personally i think a big problem is also resellability, as a pc gamer i will say it sucks not being able to sell games, my friend for example will buy a game second hand for say 20 bucks, play it and beat it in a month or so and then resell it for pretty much the same price he bought it. as someone who has a steam library with hundreds of games ill likely never play again, this would be fantastic.

Maybe sell the Xbox then, I'd keep the switch though because you can use it on the go. It's only when it's gone where you'll find yourself in a situation where it would have been perfect 🤣

I mainly use my pc And I dont use my consoles that much

Nah don't do it, quest is cool, but it's no way near a replacement for a console

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I basically didn't play horizon zero dawn because I didn't like the look of it. I didn't even get past young aloy. But from the tiny bit of gameplay I've seen of FW, it looks pretty good. Elden ring takes it for me. I don't know where to go because km stuck on this one part due to its difficulty but I've got about 24-48 hours of playtime and I love it. I'm playing other games at the moment so I can't really find time. But elden ring deserves GOTY. haven't played ragnarok or stray but stray can't be goty anyway since it's an indie game and AAA games outnumber them almost all the time (coughs cyberpunk)

Should have a placeholder for Calisto Protocol...

It's hard to decide, since Ellden ring is amazing, (but easy as fuck) gow has a far better story and etc...

Stray is a fine game, I enjoyed it, but its not GOTY quality imo. Elden Ring, Horizon or maybe GoW (still playing) should win for me

These are all great games, wdym "a bad year for games"?

Elden ring all the fucking way

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It's a really bad year for games if these are the nominees. It's not that any are bad, but two of them are GotW material at best. Given that Elden Ring seems to be a contender for one of the greatest of all time (I didn't like it) then I'd be surprised if this didn't win.

They all 'deserve' it.

I have not played any of them so i cant comment on what game i think is best.

I was sure it'd be Elden Ring even though Ragnarök would be the bomb. But now that I'm playing it, man the game never gets dull, whenever you think you got it some new gameplay mechanic or new character is introduced. I'm just in awe. I believe Santa Monica is going for the second goty award this year.