Recent comments in /f/dataisbeautiful

Guamdiggity t1_j5t4hay wrote

Two suggestions:

  1. Organize your key to be in order of income bracket, not alphabetical.

  2. Overlay total CO2 emissions over the same period for context. (Or better yet use a different visualization like an animated bar chart over time with total contribution per population group.)

  3. It’s percent, not per cent.

Also to everyone questioning the validity of the data because it doesn’t fit your world view - go to a different sub. Early Industrial Revolution, the factories covering London and other major cities in pollution were owned by the richest people. As time moves on, CO2 emissions become the Everyman’s contribution via personal vehicles and the like. That’s why total emissions over the same period would add context to this graph.

That said, another possible context could be car ownership per capita.

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Guamdiggity t1_j5t47vd wrote

Looking at the years, my first thought driving this is vehicle ownership. In general though I’d guess the relative nature of poverty and the increasing population sizes in the middle brackets worldwide. I really think it’s major problem is not accounting for population size changes or total CO2 output changes.

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Guamdiggity t1_j5t2yn3 wrote

A few suggestions:

  1. Organize your key to be in order of income bracket, not alphabetical.

  2. Overlay total CO2 emissions over the same period for context. Or better yet use a different visualization like an animated bar chart over time showing total contribution per population.

  3. It’s percent, not per cent.

Also to everyone questioning the validity of the data because it doesn’t fit your world view - go to a different sub. Early Industrial Revolution, the factories covering London and other major cities in pollution were owned by the richest people. As time moves on, CO2 emissions become the Everyman’s contribution via personal vehicles and the like. That’s why total emissions over the same period would add context to this graph.

That said, another possible context could be car ownership or population size within each subgroup over the same period. Or use per capita info as others have suggested. Overall this chart just doesn’t contain enough data to provide any real insights.

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raff7 t1_j5t2us5 wrote

The issue is that this graph might give a wrong idea..

For example, it shows that now in total upper-middle income people consume more CO2 than upper income ones.. but what does that mean?

If there is just 10 guys in the upper group, and 100k in the upper-middle one, is a very different story than if they are the same size

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Serpent90 t1_j5t2q1z wrote

I believe the graph expresses CO2 emissions of each income level as a percentage of the total.

On a global scale it means that more poor people are starting to live in industrialized nations. As opposed to living on a farm without electricity.

It doesn't mean that the rich are producing less CO2. They can be producing more, but a larger part of the total is made by other income levels.

Also, given that the rich can hide their income with tax evading tricks, and that a lot more CO2 is produced by industry than individuals anyway, that whole graph isn't particularly useful.

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yoshhash t1_j5t20zh wrote

can OP or anyone who knows please explain how and why this trend is occurring? Specifically I mean the premise that high income emission is plummeting, and middle income is growing quickly? I am going to guess that some of the high income group is faster to get super high efficient houses and appliances, but what about the super fast spending, world travelling, high powered sportscar and yacht owning, large living subset? Also why would middle income be increasing their footprint?

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albymana OP t1_j5t105v wrote

In a sense, the planet does care about the total emission. Also, very low emissions per capita might be a sign of very low economic activity. Of course, if we want to assess "people behaviour" per capita is the right way, but then we should account for different areas in each country

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