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Foxs-In-A-Trenchcoat t1_j5t4ppe wrote
I thought the most CO2 was emitted by industrial manufacturing, not private citizens.
Guamdiggity t1_j5t4hay wrote
Reply to comment by Guamdiggity in [OC] Gobal CO2 emission per income group 1750-2021 by albymana
Two suggestions:
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Organize your key to be in order of income bracket, not alphabetical.
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Overlay total CO2 emissions over the same period for context. (Or better yet use a different visualization like an animated bar chart over time with total contribution per population group.)
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It’s percent, not per cent.
Also to everyone questioning the validity of the data because it doesn’t fit your world view - go to a different sub. Early Industrial Revolution, the factories covering London and other major cities in pollution were owned by the richest people. As time moves on, CO2 emissions become the Everyman’s contribution via personal vehicles and the like. That’s why total emissions over the same period would add context to this graph.
That said, another possible context could be car ownership per capita.
-Optimal-Reflection- t1_j5t4gpi wrote
Gobal - (adj.) of, or pertaining to the gob.
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Reply to comment by Hyjynx75 in [OC] Gobal CO2 emission per income group 1750-2021 by albymana
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Skycbs t1_j5t4a9d wrote
Reply to comment by raff7 in [OC] Gobal CO2 emission per income group 1750-2021 by albymana
That’s what it is
Guamdiggity t1_j5t47vd wrote
Reply to comment by yoshhash in [OC] Gobal CO2 emission per income group 1750-2021 by albymana
Looking at the years, my first thought driving this is vehicle ownership. In general though I’d guess the relative nature of poverty and the increasing population sizes in the middle brackets worldwide. I really think it’s major problem is not accounting for population size changes or total CO2 output changes.
raff7 t1_j5t33fc wrote
Reply to comment by yoshhash in [OC] Gobal CO2 emission per income group 1750-2021 by albymana
It also might just be caused by an increase in the number of high-mid income individuals in the planet
raff7 t1_j5t30a4 wrote
Reply to comment by ExplorerCommercial49 in [OC] Gobal CO2 emission per income group 1750-2021 by albymana
The funny part is that you probably classify as a high income class in this graph.. if you are European or American it’s almost guaranteed
Guamdiggity t1_j5t2yn3 wrote
A few suggestions:
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Organize your key to be in order of income bracket, not alphabetical.
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Overlay total CO2 emissions over the same period for context. Or better yet use a different visualization like an animated bar chart over time showing total contribution per population.
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It’s percent, not per cent.
Also to everyone questioning the validity of the data because it doesn’t fit your world view - go to a different sub. Early Industrial Revolution, the factories covering London and other major cities in pollution were owned by the richest people. As time moves on, CO2 emissions become the Everyman’s contribution via personal vehicles and the like. That’s why total emissions over the same period would add context to this graph.
That said, another possible context could be car ownership or population size within each subgroup over the same period. Or use per capita info as others have suggested. Overall this chart just doesn’t contain enough data to provide any real insights.
raff7 t1_j5t2us5 wrote
Reply to comment by albymana in [OC] Gobal CO2 emission per income group 1750-2021 by albymana
The issue is that this graph might give a wrong idea..
For example, it shows that now in total upper-middle income people consume more CO2 than upper income ones.. but what does that mean?
If there is just 10 guys in the upper group, and 100k in the upper-middle one, is a very different story than if they are the same size
Serpent90 t1_j5t2q1z wrote
Reply to comment by yoshhash in [OC] Gobal CO2 emission per income group 1750-2021 by albymana
I believe the graph expresses CO2 emissions of each income level as a percentage of the total.
On a global scale it means that more poor people are starting to live in industrialized nations. As opposed to living on a farm without electricity.
It doesn't mean that the rich are producing less CO2. They can be producing more, but a larger part of the total is made by other income levels.
Also, given that the rich can hide their income with tax evading tricks, and that a lot more CO2 is produced by industry than individuals anyway, that whole graph isn't particularly useful.
whooguyy t1_j5t2iw9 wrote
Reply to comment by cervidaetech in [OC] Rolling average location of CFB football champions by Lexington49
Maybe it’s because the weather in this area is generally nicer than the rest of the states during the winter?
yoshhash t1_j5t20zh wrote
can OP or anyone who knows please explain how and why this trend is occurring? Specifically I mean the premise that high income emission is plummeting, and middle income is growing quickly? I am going to guess that some of the high income group is faster to get super high efficient houses and appliances, but what about the super fast spending, world travelling, high powered sportscar and yacht owning, large living subset? Also why would middle income be increasing their footprint?
locksmack t1_j5t1vpf wrote
I hate that the key isn't in order. Data not beautiful.
ExplorerCommercial49 t1_j5t1crh wrote
Uhh... Brought to you by High Income Class!
youjustlostthegameee t1_j5t19ob wrote
For the ig-nant here, high income means you. "We are the 99% locally but the 1% globally". Widen your perspective.
albymana OP t1_j5t17j7 wrote
Reply to comment by invisible-nuke in [OC] Gobal CO2 emission per income group 1750-2021 by albymana
I guess groups composition change over time (e.g. Argentina in the early 1900 or US/India in late 1700.). The purpose of this chart is to give a very aggregate view.
BTW from 1750 to 1840, 99% of high-income share is Britain.
albymana OP t1_j5t105v wrote
Reply to comment by Moserboser in [OC] Gobal CO2 emission per income group 1750-2021 by albymana
In a sense, the planet does care about the total emission. Also, very low emissions per capita might be a sign of very low economic activity. Of course, if we want to assess "people behaviour" per capita is the right way, but then we should account for different areas in each country
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vusa121 t1_j5t0ikh wrote
Reply to comment by Serpent90 in [OC] Gobal CO2 emission per income group 1750-2021 by albymana
High income on global scale is lower-middle-income in my country. Those guys don’t own companies or Ferraris
trevor32192 t1_j5t0dud wrote
Reply to comment by Adventurous-Text-680 in CEO pay has skyrocketed 1,460% since 1978: CEOs were paid 399 times as much as a typical worker in 2021 by sillychillly
Lol it doesn't limit Ceo pay it keeps a ratio. Raising the minimum wage is good until we dont do it for 30 years, and it massively falls behind.
If your company has to rely on keeping its employees in poverty, then it should fail.
BjoerBaer t1_j5t0b9q wrote
Reply to comment by HoldingTheFire in [OC] Gobal CO2 emission per income group 1750-2021 by albymana
Bill gets gets 12$ income per year to avoid income tax, so income is in heneral not representative for all super rich.
Moserboser t1_j5szxs6 wrote
Reply to comment by muffdivemcgruff in [OC] Gobal CO2 emission per income group 1750-2021 by albymana
What do you mean by adjust it? How much each group contributes to CO2 emissions if they were represented equally in the population? I think this graph is interesting! But imo. you are right, an adjustment like this would be cool to see as a comparison.
asseatstonk t1_j5szxat wrote
Ah yes, so we see that the good(rich) people having less CO2-Emissions, but this greedy middle-Class just dosen´t know when to stop... /s
SkyrimWithdrawal t1_j5t4up1 wrote
Reply to [OC] Gobal CO2 emission per income group 1750-2021 by albymana
Does this exclude private jets and helicopters?