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NikTheHNIC t1_j8umie4 wrote

Can anyone shed incite on how data like this is attained? I’m not a research guy, so be easy on me but I don’t understand how any method can create reliable enough data for someone to make these claims. Are they school surveys? Couldn’t find it on the site.

Edit: found it. 1135 parents were surveyed via google forums survey. Is this a large enough sample size? I feel like there would need to be tens of thousands of participants in order to make these claims. Also what’s to keep a parent from lying?

It’s an average of TWENTY parents who IDENTIFY as parents.

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Breaker-of-circles t1_j8ujbf5 wrote

Percentage vs raw numbers. Interesting argumentative decision given that the raw numbers and their visual representation in this graph is bare for all to see.

Edit: I assume this is your source for that 2%

https://ourworldindata.org/plastic-waste-trade

While the article is indeed well researched, it doesn't address where the plastics in the ocean were produced. It only talked about total plastic pollution, which is not what the discussion is about.

I mean if you look at one of the graphs there, Europe, Japan, and North America still ship more than 4M tonnes of plastic to Asian countries.

https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2022/10/Plastic-waste-trade-sankey-1536x1175.png

The 970k tonnes fits very well inside that 4M tonnes.

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crimeo t1_j8uatx0 wrote

> impartially burnt Vinyl chloride, Ethylene glycol monobutyl ether, Butyl acrylate, Ethylhexyl acrylate, and Isobutylene

  • "Impartially burnt vinyl chloride" your source mentions nothing about any such thing. Can you point me to the specific row and column you think you are seeing that?

  • Ethylene glycol monobutyl ether, Butyl acrylate, and Ethylhexyl acrylate: 1) all of these are liquids at STP, so they should not just casually form large amounts of any plume all that quickly, 2) Your source says nothing about any of them being in any plume regardless, again why did you cite a source for these claims that doesn't talk about what you claimed?

  • Isobutylene: This one straight up says "no signs of a breach" at all.

> Also, Due to poor air quality weather conditions (subsidence inversion), the plume of toxic chemicals were not able to "go far up into the sky".

Higher than cold gas in the same location, was the only relevant point there. Thus requiring a different plume model for the non burning stuff.

> a huge mystery

If something is a "huge mystery" then how is someone graphing it...? Can't be that big of a mystery, or if it is then OP is just lying/made up this data? I'm responding to the graph here, you know the thing the thread is about.

> Lastly, your argument regarding power plants emitting SO2 is irrelevant

I didn't specify sulfuric acid rain. CO2 produces plenty of acid rain too (way way more than this will).

> Would you want these chemicals from East Palestine dispersed anywhere close to your home?

The point of plotting a plume of "chemicals" floating around is presumably that you are trying to argue it's a big deal even if it is FAR away from one's home. So not the relevant question.

Would I mind being 200 miles away from this with my home? Not particularly at the moment, no.

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