Recent comments in /f/dataisbeautiful

enny_el t1_iyn2hl8 wrote

I often wonder about this - how birth month might affect academic or sporting performance. Someone must have done this research to some extent, surely? I'm from the UK, had kids in Mexico (where school year cutoff was December at least in our district) and now live in US, where it's October, but where so many parents try to game the system by holding their kids back that some districts are really strict on age/school start dates. It's fascinating.

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fongletto t1_iyn1yfv wrote

Or it could be because they're generally the biggest, smartest and most mature of their peer group they develop better confidence and leadership skills and are therefore more likely to pursue things to their highest level.

Or maybe a little from both.

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InterMando5555 t1_iymxfz6 wrote

In the US (well at least my school district in Minneapolis) it oriented around a school calendar i.e. those born September 2000 to August 2001 were all in the same class. People born in September and October were always the oldest in their class. Long story short this graph and the interpretation of this graph is wrong for a number of geographical and cultural inconsistencies.

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creektrout22 t1_iymuyib wrote

Interesting data, but shouldn’t this also be compared to the average birth month pattern in general? That would provide more evidence for the relative age effect. Births are not equal across all months to start with in humans (even simplistically based on days of the moths).

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locky_ t1_iymtfi7 wrote

That is not correct, at least in Spain. The classes start on September, but the students go to class following the calendar year. Someone born in April and someone born in November of the same year will go to the same class. And the same for sports.

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hoffmistrz t1_iymr41b wrote

Well, academic year in Poland starts in september but you still go to classes according with year you were born in. Children from January wil be the oldest in class and the ones from December the youngest(There are also cases where a children from example December can be moved to another year)

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steven_qichen t1_iymr1h9 wrote

I'm sorry its not another ugly bar chart like the frontpage of shit sub is. It's okay to actually use your comprehension skills once in a while. There's a lot of brilliant graph types that's not immediately obvious, just pick up any data visualisation book. The point is, once you understand the graph, the visualisation provides a useful tool for your brain to comprehend the graph. The point is not to have the prettiest bar chart because anything else is difficult to understand.

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pinkshirtbadman t1_iymqxfw wrote

It's interesting, and it kind of works to break it down this way. I didn't fully articulate what my concern is in my other comment, my question is how do you account for situations in which the same person in the same activity would be on opposite ends of the age gap depending on where they play.

A child born late in the year would have the most advantage in school sports, even say just PE class all the way up to the varsity team in high school, but that same individual (particularly as a younger child) would be on the bottom end of the age gap advantage in a city sponsored league that uses the calendar year

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swankpoppy t1_iymp58w wrote

I disagree that it is hard to understand. I think it shows the trends really well actually. Maybe kind of complicated, yes, but I was able to digest it pretty quickly.

I do always have a problem with the size of circles being used to illustrate data since the area of a circle goes as a square, or is the diameter (instead of the area) of the circle correlated to the data?

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pinkshirtbadman t1_iymo0ok wrote

It depends too much on the organization to really be able to split it up for every case.

In the US age /birthday cutoffs vary place to place, but Aug-sept is most common for school classes meaning you are right a child born in September is 10-11 months older than some of their peers in the same class which can be a significant advantage particularly in early years.

Kids' sports (and also many other non sport related extra-circular activities not directly sanctioned by the school) tend to be broken down either by grade, in which case the ~Fall-Late Summer range is most relevant, or by age regardless of grade, in which case Jan-Dec will be the range that matters.

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