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enny_el t1_iyn2hl8 wrote
Reply to comment by Pain_Free_Politics in [OC] Birth months of FIFA World Cup players. The top three are January, February and March, possibly due to the "Relative age effect" by desfirsit
I often wonder about this - how birth month might affect academic or sporting performance. Someone must have done this research to some extent, surely? I'm from the UK, had kids in Mexico (where school year cutoff was December at least in our district) and now live in US, where it's October, but where so many parents try to game the system by holding their kids back that some districts are really strict on age/school start dates. It's fascinating.
fongletto t1_iyn1yfv wrote
Reply to comment by desfirsit in [OC] Birth months of FIFA World Cup players. The top three are January, February and March, possibly due to the "Relative age effect" by desfirsit
Or it could be because they're generally the biggest, smartest and most mature of their peer group they develop better confidence and leadership skills and are therefore more likely to pursue things to their highest level.
Or maybe a little from both.
lit_geek OP t1_iyn1p2l wrote
Data from Wikipedia. Image created in Excel. There were a few years with ties in the rankings; for simplicity's sake I ranked them in the order they were presented in the Wikipedia page.
LSeww t1_iyn1bde wrote
Reply to comment by SueSudio in School Shootings in the US 1970-2022 Committed by Students [OC] (interactive version in comment) by data_n_stuff
Definition should include motivation.
RJrules64 t1_iyn02iq wrote
Reply to comment by creektrout22 in [OC] Birth months of FIFA World Cup players. The top three are January, February and March, possibly due to the "Relative age effect" by desfirsit
This is true and I suspect that would explain the spike in September!
meinaustin t1_iymzmvv wrote
Reply to [OC] Birth months of FIFA World Cup players. The top three are January, February and March, possibly due to the "Relative age effect" by desfirsit
This was covered by Malcolm Gladwell in Outliers, except for hockey.
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SueSudio t1_iymycm5 wrote
Reply to comment by LSeww in School Shootings in the US 1970-2022 Committed by Students [OC] (interactive version in comment) by data_n_stuff
A minute ago you thought what was really important was the definition they were using. When that was clarified now it's motivation?
Interesting. Expected, but interesting.
InterMando5555 t1_iymxfz6 wrote
Reply to comment by scandinavianleather in [OC] Birth months of FIFA World Cup players. The top three are January, February and March, possibly due to the "Relative age effect" by desfirsit
In the US (well at least my school district in Minneapolis) it oriented around a school calendar i.e. those born September 2000 to August 2001 were all in the same class. People born in September and October were always the oldest in their class. Long story short this graph and the interpretation of this graph is wrong for a number of geographical and cultural inconsistencies.
fix-ur-acrostics t1_iymw7sb wrote
Reply to comment by Boris_Ignatievich in [OC] Birth months of FIFA World Cup players. The top three are January, February and March, possibly due to the "Relative age effect" by desfirsit
It's probably just the fact that September is the most common birth month
scandinavianleather t1_iymv8j0 wrote
Reply to comment by Kriskao in [OC] Birth months of FIFA World Cup players. The top three are January, February and March, possibly due to the "Relative age effect" by desfirsit
Doesn't matter when schools starts, it matters where the age cutoff is. I live in Canada where school starts in September, but you are divided by birth year. Is that not the norm in the Western World?
data_n_stuff OP t1_iymv85l wrote
Reply to comment by swankpoppy in School Shootings in the US 1970-2022 Committed by Students [OC] (interactive version in comment) by data_n_stuff
To my best knowledge tableau is using the area of the circles as the visual variable
creektrout22 t1_iymuyib wrote
Reply to [OC] Birth months of FIFA World Cup players. The top three are January, February and March, possibly due to the "Relative age effect" by desfirsit
Interesting data, but shouldn’t this also be compared to the average birth month pattern in general? That would provide more evidence for the relative age effect. Births are not equal across all months to start with in humans (even simplistically based on days of the moths).
locky_ t1_iymtfi7 wrote
Reply to comment by diamond280779 in [OC] Birth months of FIFA World Cup players. The top three are January, February and March, possibly due to the "Relative age effect" by desfirsit
That is not correct, at least in Spain. The classes start on September, but the students go to class following the calendar year. Someone born in April and someone born in November of the same year will go to the same class. And the same for sports.
Lord_Bobbymort t1_iymszxt wrote
hoffmistrz t1_iymr41b wrote
Reply to comment by diamond280779 in [OC] Birth months of FIFA World Cup players. The top three are January, February and March, possibly due to the "Relative age effect" by desfirsit
Well, academic year in Poland starts in september but you still go to classes according with year you were born in. Children from January wil be the oldest in class and the ones from December the youngest(There are also cases where a children from example December can be moved to another year)
steven_qichen t1_iymr1h9 wrote
Reply to comment by Esarus in School Shootings in the US 1970-2022 Committed by Students [OC] (interactive version in comment) by data_n_stuff
I'm sorry its not another ugly bar chart like the frontpage of shit sub is. It's okay to actually use your comprehension skills once in a while. There's a lot of brilliant graph types that's not immediately obvious, just pick up any data visualisation book. The point is, once you understand the graph, the visualisation provides a useful tool for your brain to comprehend the graph. The point is not to have the prettiest bar chart because anything else is difficult to understand.
pinkshirtbadman t1_iymqxfw wrote
Reply to comment by DammitAnthony in [OC] Birth months of FIFA World Cup players. The top three are January, February and March, possibly due to the "Relative age effect" by desfirsit
It's interesting, and it kind of works to break it down this way. I didn't fully articulate what my concern is in my other comment, my question is how do you account for situations in which the same person in the same activity would be on opposite ends of the age gap depending on where they play.
A child born late in the year would have the most advantage in school sports, even say just PE class all the way up to the varsity team in high school, but that same individual (particularly as a younger child) would be on the bottom end of the age gap advantage in a city sponsored league that uses the calendar year
DammitAnthony t1_iympt7r wrote
Reply to comment by pinkshirtbadman in [OC] Birth months of FIFA World Cup players. The top three are January, February and March, possibly due to the "Relative age effect" by desfirsit
Interesting article breaking down just North American sport leagues.
Individual_Divide333 t1_iympr1x wrote
Reply to comment by Frog23 in [OC] Birth months of FIFA World Cup players. The top three are January, February and March, possibly due to the "Relative age effect" by desfirsit
Ahhhhh totally makes sense. Thank you for deepening my understanding of this cool phenomenon.
Last-Caterpillar-112 t1_iympj0j wrote
Reply to comment by desfirsit in [OC] Birth months of FIFA World Cup players. The top three are January, February and March, possibly due to the "Relative age effect" by desfirsit
Same in Canada.
swankpoppy t1_iymp58w wrote
Reply to comment by data_n_stuff in School Shootings in the US 1970-2022 Committed by Students [OC] (interactive version in comment) by data_n_stuff
I disagree that it is hard to understand. I think it shows the trends really well actually. Maybe kind of complicated, yes, but I was able to digest it pretty quickly.
I do always have a problem with the size of circles being used to illustrate data since the area of a circle goes as a square, or is the diameter (instead of the area) of the circle correlated to the data?
Naive_Web_3081 t1_iymp2qw wrote
Reply to comment by aspacelot in [OC] Netflix's "Wednesday" Global Viewing Statistics, Nov 23 — Nov 27, 2022 by CheetahOk8221
and The Office
pinkshirtbadman t1_iymo0ok wrote
Reply to comment by DammitAnthony in [OC] Birth months of FIFA World Cup players. The top three are January, February and March, possibly due to the "Relative age effect" by desfirsit
It depends too much on the organization to really be able to split it up for every case.
In the US age /birthday cutoffs vary place to place, but Aug-sept is most common for school classes meaning you are right a child born in September is 10-11 months older than some of their peers in the same class which can be a significant advantage particularly in early years.
Kids' sports (and also many other non sport related extra-circular activities not directly sanctioned by the school) tend to be broken down either by grade, in which case the ~Fall-Late Summer range is most relevant, or by age regardless of grade, in which case Jan-Dec will be the range that matters.
TurtleWitch t1_iyn4ibu wrote
Reply to comment by Lord_Bobbymort in [OC] Birth months of FIFA World Cup players. The top three are January, February and March, possibly due to the "Relative age effect" by desfirsit
It basically gets lower and lower throughout the months