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luaks1337 t1_iznzb5z wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in [OC] Inflation heatmap for 44 European, other DM and EM countries by adebar
That's not the reason for why their inflation is so low. Switzerland has backed 95% of the Swiss Franc with Gold reserves. When the Swiss Franc inflates they just trade the Gold for their own currency and buy it off of the global markets. The result is a decreased supply of Swiss Francs in foreign markets. Scarce supply means an increase in value therefore counteracting inflation.
I believe the ECB (and most other countries) have backed their currency by less than 10% which makes it much harder to counter steer inflation.
adebar OP t1_iznw87f wrote
Reply to comment by UsrHpns4rctct in [OC] Inflation heatmap for 44 European, other DM and EM countries by adebar
Someone who freely admits they are wrong! Online?! I never thought I'd live to see the day. Thank you for the civil discourse. :-D
Logizyme t1_iznuq72 wrote
Reply to comment by MasterFubar in [OC] Inflation heatmap for 44 European, other DM and EM countries by adebar
This isn't the Victorian era. We have stock markets and centralized banks all over the world.
Low positive inflation incentives people to invest their excess cash in business, which promotes growth. Deflation greatly increases the risk of loss to such investments and means that money you stash under your bed will be worth more in a year than it is now, incentiving not spending or investing your excess cash, retarding the economy.
There are many contributing factors to economic growth, but one of the baselines we have to stabilize it in a predictable manner is inflation. By maintaining a low positive inflation, we maintain stable growth.
This is a widely accepted view from financial professionals and is why the fed manipulates interest rates to steer inflation.
Wizard01475 t1_iznt8oa wrote
Reply to comment by MasterFubar in [OC] Inflation heatmap for 44 European, other DM and EM countries by adebar
This is true for things like food and energy. But not for durable goods, luxury items, or things like houses and cars.
Enlightened-Beaver t1_iznt8ei wrote
Brazil thought inflation was so nice they had it twice!
UsrHpns4rctct t1_iznsnhz wrote
Reply to comment by King_in-the_North in [OC] Inflation heatmap for 44 European, other DM and EM countries by adebar
Well, what you are saying is absolutely correct.
To try to go deeper into the matter (only speculations). A great part of Norwegians own their own house/apartment and most of their loans have a “free flowing interest”, so when the Norwegian bank puts up the interest it quickly affects the private economy. Combine this with the extreme rise in the price of electricity (10-12 times up) and the long “tradition” of using electricity for heating to a greater extent than other countries. These two factors contribute to a quick and greatly weakened buying power in the Norwegian population.
Are my speculation onto something plausible?
MasterFubar t1_iznseei wrote
Reply to comment by Wizard01475 in [OC] Inflation heatmap for 44 European, other DM and EM countries by adebar
> Why would anyone buy anything if they think they can get it cheaper tomorrow.
Because they are consumers, not speculators.
If the price goes down, anything looks like a bargain. You see many ads saying "Now 10% off!", lower prices are always a great incentive for buying stuff. An economy with a steady deflation would have a market with continuous discounted prices.
What most people, including many economists, don't understand is that deflation is a result of economic depression. Sellers offer lower prices because they are stuck with a warehouse full of unsold items. There is a correlation between deflation and recession, but deflation is not the cause, it's an effect of recession.
SupaflyIRL t1_izns5o0 wrote
Reply to comment by [deleted] in [OC] Inflation heatmap for 44 European, other DM and EM countries by adebar
Neither did Sweden but good job on your first ever attempt at geopolitical analysis lil guy!
Wizard01475 t1_iznqo3c wrote
Reply to comment by MasterFubar in [OC] Inflation heatmap for 44 European, other DM and EM countries by adebar
That’s exactly what I’m saying. Necessities and basic staples aside. Why do people rush to buy things if they think the price is going up? Why would anyone buy anything if they think they can get it cheaper tomorrow.
King_in-the_North t1_iznqde2 wrote
Reply to comment by UsrHpns4rctct in [OC] Inflation heatmap for 44 European, other DM and EM countries by adebar
I’m sorry but you clearly don’t understand what causes inflation. All things being equal, putting more money into an economy from oil and gas sales would cause more inflation, not less.
Karlosbubi t1_iznq31w wrote
Why is slight deflation so green, mainstream capitalist economics says it's worse than (normal) inflation.
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Diamond_Road t1_iznppm7 wrote
Reply to comment by Wizard01475 in [OC] Inflation heatmap for 44 European, other DM and EM countries by adebar
Why not zero?
[deleted] t1_iznol2c wrote
Reply to comment by misdirected_asshole in [OC] Inflation heatmap for 44 European, other DM and EM countries by adebar
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MasterFubar t1_iznoex7 wrote
Reply to comment by Wizard01475 in [OC] Inflation heatmap for 44 European, other DM and EM countries by adebar
> If you don’t have some inflation there’s no incentive to spend.
You're confusing speculation with spending. The logic consumers use is the opposite of the logic speculators use.
Consumers don't buy something expecting the price to rise. Lower prices mean something we wanted to buy but couldn't afford is now within range. Look at all electronic devices. Are you saying nobody will buy a smart phone because prices will be lower next year?
dml997 t1_izno7nt wrote
Reply to comment by 603cats in [OC] How to spot misleading charts? I would like to hear your opinion on the subject, also any tips design-wise? by dark_o3
You can also add gratuitous 3-D columns that make it impossible to compare items.
dml997 t1_izno671 wrote
Reply to [OC] How to spot misleading charts? I would like to hear your opinion on the subject, also any tips design-wise? by dark_o3
I don't necessarily agree with (1). When all values are similar it is difficult to perceive anything with a 0 based Y axis. There's no point in having a plot if you can't visually see the data. A non-zero based axis is better as long as it is clearly labeled.
Points 2 and 3 are good, though.
enakcm t1_iznnak2 wrote
Reply to comment by dENd0Mania in [OC] Inflation heatmap for 44 European, other DM and EM countries by adebar
France actually imported gas-generated electricity from Germany, as they could not sort out their nuclear power plants.
https://www.ceicdata.com/en/germany/electricity-imports-and-exports/electricity-balance-france
Wizard01475 t1_iznn1ku wrote
Reply to comment by MasterFubar in [OC] Inflation heatmap for 44 European, other DM and EM countries by adebar
Zero inflation is neutral (not bad or good) but also hard to walk that line. Deflation (which is bad) is almost inevitable as production becomes more efficient. If you don’t have some inflation there’s no incentive to spend. That incentive is necessary for a consumer driven economy.
Odd_Implement_446 t1_iznm4ve wrote
Reply to comment by adebar in [OC] Inflation heatmap for 44 European, other DM and EM countries by adebar
Yes, it’s a trade off. That’s what I was thinking, too. I just wish inflation would really be in the 10% range.
Lonyo t1_iznlze2 wrote
Reply to comment by moriclanuser2000 in [OC] Inflation heatmap for 44 European, other DM and EM countries by adebar
Look at Denmark, Estonia and France and then reassess...
Denmark is its own currency but pegged to the Euro.
MasterFubar t1_iznlvnn wrote
Reply to comment by Wizard01475 in [OC] Inflation heatmap for 44 European, other DM and EM countries by adebar
> Target inflation should be 1-2% for a consumer economy.
That's a myth. The industrialized countries had zero inflation in the Victorian era, which was also a period of great economic growth.
Lonyo t1_iznlsw7 wrote
Reply to comment by philassopher-guy in [OC] Inflation heatmap for 44 European, other DM and EM countries by adebar
A lot of inflation is being caused by energy costs, which impacts all areas (from direct costs to end users to any services/production etc).
France is something like 80% nuclear, and is (now) fully state owned, and has capped the price of electricity within France, since their costs of production haven't increased. They are forgoing excessive profits at the expense of the French people (but that doesn't mean making losses necessarily), as they are charging more in line with historic levels rather than the general electricity market which is being driven by high gas (as in, natural gas) prices across Europe.
So they have minimal energy inflation which means reduced inflation in all other areas.
[deleted] t1_izo1kcu wrote
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