Recent comments in /f/dataisbeautiful

Sininenn t1_j0j0til wrote

Yes, you very much did suggest so:

"These numbers are raw totals. There are far more mothers with full custody than fathers. So by raw totals mothers would outnumber fathers even if the mothers and fathers were equally likely to be abusers."

This is a direct quote from your original comment.

It would only be a logical conclusion, if the number of single mother households was almost half of all family units, as would be proportional to the abuse numbers.

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Sininenn t1_j0j04hv wrote

I will repeat myself. If that was the case, single mother households would have to outnumber dual parent homes, which is not the case.

It's funny you mention "primate brain shit". Look up "Women are wonderful effect". That is some "primate brain shit", which is exactly what people trying to explain higher abuse by women through simple numerical majority are doing.

As if women could not be shitty, abusive and violent human beings, even more than people think men are... But that would shatter their preconceptions about the big bad violent man and the soft beautiful innocent powerless woman.

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Wizard_Tendies t1_j0iyxmr wrote

My hypothesis; this is an article with information that might be used against women. Please allow me to specify; the issue here isn’t just child abuse, but who commits it. Without knowing who or why, it’ll be hard to remedy. However, anyone disingenuous will take this and say “look, another example of fathers and men being disenfranchised!” and that is absolutely not the case.

Anyone to try to understand further or disagree with the disingenuous will be called “abuse excusers” because it helps create the inner dichotomy of “us and them.” Aka basic primate brain shit doing basic primate brain shit.

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Wizard_Tendies t1_j0ixqhl wrote

They didn’t excuse abuse, they provided potential insight on why there is disproportionate abuse from mothers reported.

Which might make sense when accounting for single parent households. If women, more than not, gain primary custody of children then we should expect higher rates of mothers that abuse their children. Again, it doesn’t excuse abuse. I don’t know where people got this idea.

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foldingcouch t1_j0iv584 wrote

Two things:

  • Hospitals everywhere in Canada are short on staff and high on cases as COVID continues to be a thing and ...
  • The flu is particularly bad this year, with a ton of pediatric patients eating up a lot of hospital beds and resources

So we have a double-hit of COVID season and flu season hitting at a time when hospital resources are already stretched beyond capacity - people are going to die.

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mywan t1_j0irp9r wrote

> You suggested it though.

No, I did not. I did not even suggest that woman aren't the majority of abusers, and it can't be determine whether that is true or not based on the data provided. The only thing that I said wasn't a suggestion, it was a fact. That fact being that the raw numbers provided can't answer that question. The exception being that we can know, from the OP link, that foster parents tend to be abusers more often than day care providers because the raw numbers are nearly identical while far more kids are exposed to day car.

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momoontheswing t1_j0ir700 wrote

Hi, I like your design and the simplicity. For the comparison of how many people earn more or less you linked to Arbeitsagentur, but I couldn't find the statistik you took your data from. My feeling is that you took the average income. But what is actually a lot more representative is the median, because of some peaks from high income CEOs that distort the whole data.

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Sininenn t1_j0ippej wrote

You suggested it though.

By trying to explain the majority of abusers being women through the fact that women tend to get primary custody.

The data does not distinguish between single or dual parenthood. So if it were the case, that abuse by women is caused by exclusive contact with the child, it would have to follow, that the number of single mothers vs fathers/dual parents is proportional to the abuse being perpetrated.

I doubt it is. Single mothers, or fathers, for that matter, are, thankfully, still a minority.

If abuse is not excusable no matter the perpetrator, why is women's custody brought up as an argument at all?

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xenocles_the_lesser t1_j0inx3r wrote

There definitely was a COVID spike at that time. But if you look at Figure 3.1 in the report, which seems to match the shape of the Worldometer graph I looked at first (https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/canada/) I see a death spike that isn't appreciably higher than the ones before, and possibly skinnier. While COVID might have contributed to this total death rate peak, I am not at all convinced that it was the major driver of it.

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