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In a "mentally healthy" human, the desire to eat goes away almost immediately after you start eating, and it doesn't come back for another 4-8 hours, so it's really difficult to consume more than you'd need without purposefully choosing to eat more. This is why I list it as a "mental health concern", specifically avoiding the word "issue".

I'm trying to distance the thought train away from the "practicality of just eating less", because it doesn't work that way anyway.

Poor food literacy and understanding of health usually relates to an unstructured upbringing or trouble at home, also raising a mental health concern.

There are also significant cultural considerations. In my country, for example, male obesity is highly regarded as a sign of success and abundance, and these men prefer "curvy" women - our per capita obesity is worse than USA, even though we don't have access to high fructose corn syrup at all, and we have a massive government imposed sugar tax, so almost nothing has sugar in it anymore!

A month is fine. A healthy person takes about 3 weeks to die with no food. A person with ample fat reserves would (or at least should) last longer.

Angus' feat was done with close supervision and (as far as anyone can cite) only once. I'm skeptical, as I said, and there's nothing radical about the idea of fat reclamation falling short of subsistence. I'd be curious to see someone replicate it.

> Why can't you just not eat if you're overweight?

For a while (even a long while!) you certainly can but your body comes with safety overrides (psychological and physical) which can override the will power most have.

Can you hold it if you have to go pee? Sure you can. But it will be unpleasant and eventually you will either give up or be tortured by your decision till you die.

If you have ample fat reserves and resist eating your death can take much longer but it's still inevitable and will not be pleasant.

I imagine the answer to op's question would be whether or not its healthy like you stated.

>At the other end of the spectrum I’ve read about someone who died of starvation while still obese.

Was this person in a trial where they were getting the necessary vitamins/electrolytes or were they just fasting on their own? And how long? I am curious but there doesn't seem to be a lot of studies like with Angus.

>The problem is that there is no protein coming in

I am pretty sure some of the supplements Angus was taking included amino acids.

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We don’t have an answer for you here, but if you’re interested in reading up on the topic, it’s called “the hard problem of consciousness”. Look up David Chalmers - one of the primary people writing about this currently. See the Wikipedia article on the hard problem of consciousness for more authors as well

The only way for the dairy industry to operate is through exploitation. I find that as companies try to increase profits the level of exploitation also increases. Am I missing something?

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I dispute that they are alive and conscious. I'm pretty sure that I am alive and conscious, but I have no direct evidence that they are...

>Until we figure out how to produce only female calves.

We have figured it out. We can sort sperm into X- and Y-sperm with a reliability >90%. It's actively being used in dairy production. However, the female calves are still usually slaughtered as there's no demand for an exponentially growing number of dairy cows; as far as I could gather, the benefit for a dairy production is mainly in that birthing a male calf is more dangerous for the cow.

Almost everything you said is wrong.

Personally, I don’t think it’s typical at least. At the other end of the spectrum I’ve read about someone who died of starvation while still obese.

The problem is that there is no protein coming in, and burning fat isn’t going to contribute to your protein needs, so your body is going to catabolize muscle too. This includes your heart muscle. It’s common for anorexics to die of mitral valve prolapse or congestive heart failure.

I don’t know if my example or your example is closer to typical, but not a risk I would consider.

I also want to note that Barbieri died in his early 50’s. Wouldn’t surprise me if his extended starvation period resulted in a heart attack some years later.

Yes, that's the one. How about the other 18,000 agencies in the US?

So shocking to me there is a while industry for veal. I don't think I've ever met anyone that had a response to veal that wasn't something along the lines of wanting to get the place that serves it shut down.

You can protest in the US.

You cannot block other people's access like standing in a street or highway. This is infringing upon other people's rights to freely move around.

You cannot riot--loot buildings, set fires, damage vehicles.

You cannot make excessive noise in violation of local noise ordinances.

If police feel that public safety is compromised they may term a protest an illegal assembly. I'm not a fan of this, BUT if the protestors are actively trying to hide, or prevent access to people committing crimes as part of the protest, I have no problem with the police arresting such people for abetting the crime.

In short, protesting does not give you the right to violate the law. Many protestors will knowingly and willingly violate laws in order to protest. If you do so, you should not be upset or surprised when you are arrested.

You should be more concerned with what happens to protesters in more autocratic countries. How many of the protesters were killed by the Iranian government recently? How many Chinese citizens have disappeared protesting the insane COVID lockdowns the last couple days?

This is just my experience - I did aggressive IF fasts - 16 off/8on with calories consumed around 1000-1100. In my experience, the more you have to lose, the "safer" you can eat minimally as long as you doing some physical movement - like light weight lifting to keep your muscles active. You have to be careful as you will absolutely hit a brick wall and you have to start eating more to keep your body from crashing. Angus Barbieri had a lot of fat stored up and so he was able to go a long time without eating as long as you incorporate some sort of muscle resistance exercises. Since losing weight, I have to eat more as my metabolism is a lot higher and I'm way more active but it just gives me a little leeway to eat more. I still CICO as aggressively as I can.

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If you could smell a delicious pie in someone's house and couldn't get into the house to eat it. You wouldn't bother sticking around or coming back cuz you never got any pie.

I have seen several long fasts, although nothing as long as Angus. More like a month. But I have no reason to doubt it, so I don't see why you would make claims that it cant be done.

Well...no. Your conclusion was correct but your assertion was incorrect

I mean, there are a whole buttload of reasons people are overweight other than mental health issues - I'd wager that the majority aren't caused by stress eating.

Poor food literacy, poor understanding of health, poor access to fresh food and an over abundance of processed/sugary etc foods in the modern Western diet are probably a much larger cause than stress eating.

I do agree with your underlying point, however, that without identifying which of these points is the persons issue and addressing it there is no way they are going to lose weight healthily and consistently

As your body goes into starvation mode it doesn't burn fat, instead it uses protein from muscles for food and this can include the heart muscle, so a starvation diet even for a fat person can result in them dying of a heart attack even while they still have plenty of fat on them.

Another “problem” with bear canisters, is that bears have really great smell. It may not ben that they can smell food through an air-tight container, but the container itself likely has trace amounts of food smell on the outside that got there as you handle it. As u/Volcan_R said, the idea is to make the food too hard to get, so the bear decides to put its effort elsewhere. So wether it’s hung from a tree, in a bear box, or behind an electric fence, (Yes such a product exists) even if the bear can smell it, it will decide it can’t get to it and learn to just move on.