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Excludos t1_iy34hmt wrote

Reply to comment by bronet in Patty melt [homemade] by JesusJugs123

You'll be ok 99/100 times indeed. But over the scale of an entire population, that's still a lot of unnecessary illnesses, some of which could be deadly. E. coli is still a thing that affects 265000 people in the US alone yearly, and kills 100

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dropfry t1_iy3135u wrote

Reply to comment by Mk1Racer25 in Patty melt [homemade] by JesusJugs123

It's because of surface area. Sliced steaks are cooked on both sides. Sterilizing the exposed sides. Grinding beef exposes it all the way through, but is only cooked on it's outsides. Leaving the insides vulnerable. So a pink steak is safer than a pink burger.

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Excludos t1_iy30r6d wrote

Reply to comment by Mk1Racer25 in Patty melt [homemade] by JesusJugs123

Correct! The inside of a steak isn't where the bacteria lives, it's on the surface. Hence why a medium rare steak is fine, because the surface is cooked. When you mince it, the "surface" becomes mixed in everywhere. So it becomes unsafe to undercook it like a steak would be

The only way to serve rare/raw mince safely, is by removing the surface of a steak, and mincing it yourself. This is how tartare is made

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AnyLeave3611 t1_iy30pz6 wrote

Reply to comment by Mk1Racer25 in Patty melt [homemade] by JesusJugs123

No. Meat, like beef, has dangerous bacteria on its surface. Thats why eating raw beef is dangerous but eating rare beef is not.

When you grind meat, like when making a patty like in OP's pic, you essentially push those bacterias into the meat. At this point, just cooking the surface of the beef is no longer sufficient to safely consume it.

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scalectrix t1_iy30llq wrote

I think it would, though an understandable one. Just having a bit of fun!

I'm a bit of a fan of a cheese sauce (mornay or not) in all its glorious forms, and am disturbed by talk of additives such as sodium citrate, as well as the fact that the OP image shows no sign of having been finished and lightly (or darkly!) browned in the oven, as is required of a macaroni cheese (UK terminology - ditto cauliflower cheese) IMO, and I'm not at all sure about the addition of chives in this particular context. That said, it does look great! But if you want a more 'viscous' sauce, just add some mozzarella - it's what our lord Cheesus would want.

Personally I switch from milk to Italian white wine (Orvieto to be precise) half way through making my bechamel, to make it less claggy and more 'zingy', then use copious cheeses (cheddar obvs, being a Somerset resident, as well as gouda, emmental, gorgonzola, Port Salut, even sometimes some goats cheese or Roquefort! - whatever's available from the usually large fridge selection basically) and a splash of kirsch, as a nod to Swiss fondue. No herbs or seasoning for me though (apart from sometimes a little white pepper - secret ingredient). Let the cheese be the star!

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