Bet?

That’s true but I think that was more for the slimness of machines. The Mac Mini had the upgrade slots until the M series CPUs.

Take a look at RAM upgrades on an HP. I was recently looking at an HP Zbook Fury for work. Their RAM upgrade prices were ridiculous, even more than Apple. The kicker is that the HP had RAM upgrade slots. I think more manufacturers are charging crazy amounts for memory because they can get away with it. The people of Reddit might go ahead and open a laptop and upgrade the RAM but none of my relatives will do it even though it’s possible. They’d pay the manufacturer to do it. Lots of Windows laptops are also losing upgradable RAM slots.

Now the SSD issues including where you can’t retrieve data because of the link between the T2 chip and the SSD, that’s a dick move. Louis Rossman has a video on that. From what I gathered, Apples decision means you can’t in any way retrieve the data from a MacBook that has the T2 chip if the board dies.

This is a brand new SOC, just curious where you’re “not that fast” commentary is coming from. Im assuming you’ve benchmarked one of these just released systems? Care to share your data?

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You are thinking of the 2020 M1 13" Macbook Pro which Apple has marketed as "up to 20 hour" battery life, the very similar M1 Air has a smaller battery and "up to 18 hour" battery life.

We get it, you’re a cool guy, no one cares

They got rid of it in the 2016 MBP design but brought back a new version with the current design, which came out late 2021

Could also hardwire Chromecast as well FYI

Guess it depends on what you mean by "high end" as people have different use cases for a PC and what one may consider "high end" won't do much for another's use case.

Second, of we're talking most people, you earnestly paid waay more for things that won't benefit them at all. There is simply no benefit to most people having 64GB of RAM period let alone DDR5 that still does not do much at their CL rate to really justify a vast difference in price for most. So paying top end for the same benefits overall is silly in most cases anyhow.

I bring that up to point out a few fallacies in your claim if you're talking about spending more money meaning "high end." I also find it odd that you don't categorize high performance with high end when those are hand and hand. Almost no one's definition of high end is going to include low performance and consider it "high end." That wouldn't even make sense.

You brought up PC which can be customized to meet exactly what you need and want and much cheaper therefore bringing a ton of value period. No one is saying Mac is horrible, but the moment you start bringing price into this and comparing apples to apples spec wise PC can wn out there due to the nature of being able forever upgrade and find plenty if sales in the process. Mac is much more closed off. If you're buying Mac in this case, it tends to be for niche reasons. Bathing wring with it, but just came across as if you were trying to bring price into this and bringing up specs as if you have to spend $1700 to get a very nice PC that is high end still. With the plethora of options out there thst simply isn't true.

$50k+ professional workstations have existed for a long time lol.

Also, for fairness maybe you should be trying to make that work in an sff case.

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Well yeah it's an SoC. Not really possible to make that upgradeable.

It’s M2 only, not the pro.

So not supporting Apple but the whole “give us upgradable memory slots” is a little hard with the M series chips. The RAM/SSD/CPU/GPU is all on one chip. The design would make it impossible to allow upgrades.

Now a secondary RAM slot or SSD slot surely is possible. I’d be curious what that would do to the performance. I’m assuming part of your speed and battery life is due to everything being on one chip.

Should be MagSafe 3.

I won't lie, that base mini m2 is looking pretty good for the price (especially if you can get a student discount)

The price increase on the macbooks is an ouch though... Especially since they aren't much different than the previous generation (which makes sense but still)

$600 M2 is great pricing.

That sort of makes sense, they want you to trade up in the first couple of years so they can refurb it. At 4 years its only value (to Apple) is recycling, I bet you're getting a pretty good deal in that sense. The trade-in program is for people that want the current year everything.

OR you can print out and sign the form from the Apple web site, mail it in, and wait for the PIN to be mailed to you a week later. Your call…

Eh, probably use debian more.

The real MVP is the new mac mini with the M2 Pro costing 499, but that will be faster than the previous MacPro with M1 Max. It's ridiculous.

Bingo the OS is designed to utilize any available ram, and that availability drops depending on what other apps you have running in the background. It also knows to suspend apps that are not using any memory so it can’t pull from the pool.

Comparing the SSD in a $400 devicea to the SSD in a $1200 device are we?