And they've launched more than one successful product/service as opposed to having a history of only one massively successful launch and a bunch of acquisitions of other people's products and services.

Also more hardware dev than meta by a MILE

He’s wrong because Garmin already does a bunch of stuff other than satellite beacons, not because he’s comparing a watch to a phone

Apple watch’s EKG is also FDA cleared

An EKG doesn’t have to have 12 leads and doesn’t have to know any criteria. Do you think the first EKGs knew scarbossa’s criteria?

Apple also calls it an EKG.

A photo caption in the article said it best: >“The Venu 2 Plus is the closest thing Garmin has to a full-featured OLED smartwatch.”

$50 more for a fitness tracker that’s finally adding an ekg which apple had what 2, maybe 3 generations ago now? It’s still charging more for an inferior product.

I still haven’t even gotten on board with FaceTime.

Would be interesting to see how good it is. I own Withings ScanWatch with EKG and other health focused features, also FDA-cleared.

Yes but they did it different and better than other products

"Dude, do you EVEN Sgarbossa??"

Yes, to my knowledge, determining "afib" is "not afib" is the only validated use of watch-based ekgs.

The Apple Watch has an ECG whose sole purpose is to detect signs of AFib. I'm guessing since they made the scope so narrow that they don't get a lot of false positives.

You can use the emoji and an emoji characters in FaceTime now, yes. But it can only track your head and it’s a little limited in the sense that you have to hold your iPhone, or iPad in front of your face.

Rethink that in the context of wearing VR goggles and having a companion motion tracking device in the room, so that your full body, animated avatar is live streamed to the person you’re having a conversation with. Or straight up, superimposed on the empty seat on the other end of the couch, if you’re using AR mode .

That’s going to be the interesting tipping point for the personal communications aspect of mixed reality

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Once again it's proven apple threads will consistently bring out the man-children in force to hurl feeble insults at people. Take your own advice, bruh.

Apple does software well, so once they figure out (or package better) running metrics a little better (such as the physiological measurements Garmin uses) and extend battery life, Garmin is in for a ride. The Watch Ultra is miles better then the Series 8, and is definitely at the same level hardware wise now.

I've been a multiple generation Fenix user, then Epix 2, now Ultra.

> I wouldn’t put it past apple to develop an AR FaceTime with avatars over real backgrounds

I mean, it’s the next logical step from FaceTime with Memoji and Animoji heads.

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I think they’re misusing ekg instead of calling it a single lead monitor, similar to what apple has now. They’re decent enough for measuring rate and something like afib, but that’s about it.

The headline is misleading, I thought the same exact thing as you when I read it. Like, does this machine even know what Scarbossa’s criteria are?

Animojis and Memojis are pretty impressive in their own way. It’s a shame they don’t get more traction, but then using them is a very deliberate action on the part of the user and takes effort beyond just sending a message or having a FaceTime.

They would be great for mixed reality avatars, if Apple can livestream them in real time.

Their focus on the metaverse is an interesting one. I’m not sure what their long-term monetization strategy was. With Apple, Microsoft, Sony, they sell actual products. Facebook monetizes user habits to sell ads. Not sure if Zuckerberg saw the metaverse as some sort of brave new world for advertising and engagement metrics or if he just really personally got tired of waiting for mainstream VR and decided to throw his company behind forcing it to happen.

That’s just sad. Get a life

> Apple is very good at taking all of these things that already exist and then having one moment where it comes together on stage in a way no one else has had the follow through in yet.

I think this is what gets into the core of the arguments where people call other people fanboys or haters. iPod, iPhone, iPad, iWatch Apple Watch… none of those were brand new unheard of product categories. Digital music players, smartphones, tablets and smartwatches existed before. But Apple managed to deliver more of an experience. Everything integrated, everything purposeful and (mostly) focused. You can’t in good faith argue that Apple hasn’t significantly changed the landscape of any product category it enters.

Edit: and that’s not to discount Android’s more experimental legacy, pushing features and concepts with each iteration. And often first.

Focus has gotten a little less as the ecosystem grows, but that was inevitable as a mature platform tries to be everything to everybody. Nonetheless, I trust Apple more than Facebook to actually launch a product that pushes mixed reality mainstream. I still don’t know one person IRL that has an Oculus/Meta Quest and Google Glass already tried and unfortunately failed. HoloLens may have been mortally wounded losing that military comtract. Sony is apparently doing well enough that they’re launching a PlayStation VR for their fifth generation consoles, but I don’t know if they could have any appreciable influence on making mixed reality commonplace.

Ekgs are incredibly complex. I've been interpreting them for 10 years and am still far from an expert. Hospital based computers make lots of errors interpreting them. Just figuring out "is this a heart attack? " is tricky in many cases.

I wonder how many panicked people will go to the ER needlessly compared to how many have real concerning findings.