Yeah, but you're what - a foot away? Most people are going to be watching tv or gaming from a couch across the room.

Someone test this man's wife in laboratory conditions!

They are plentiful and easy to find. /uNelvisAlfredo is speaking the truth, and it should be common knowledge by now.

A mid range 1080p plasma will kick the crap out of any non HDR LCD/LED tv in terms of contrast, color accuracy, and refresh rate.

HDR is a game changer, however.

I'm using 32" 4K at the moment, for gaming and productive work it's not a super high density

A 50" screen doesn't need more than 1080p (and HDR, which only comes with 4k screens).

TV is stupid and unnecessary, back in my day we had a radio -- I remember when they invented the first wireless.

Thank you.

Definitely, and I'm on the older side (the Pleistocene Age on the Reddit spectrum) with eyesight that is still functional but nowhere near what it used to be.

Which is why we recently upgraded to a large screen 4k OLED. Compared to our old HD flatscreen, it's night and day. The old tv was perfectly functional. It was a decent midlevel tv when we got it. It served us well for many years. The upgrade was a conscious concession to age.

That's 4k. But when we were in the store (the Magnolia section in our local Best Buy, not some exotic high end specialty store), there were a couple of tv's on display that were just jaw-droppingly good in every dimension. The biggest of them had a price tag of $25,000, which of course very, very few of us would even consider buying unless we won the lottery. Naturally, however, both the picture quality and the price tag attracted my attention, and I felt compelled to ask about it. It WAS unmistakably better than anything else on display. It was a very large screen 8k OLED.

Yes, you can tell the difference with normal vision. You can tell the difference with significantly suboptimal vision.

The folks at the store were very quick to emphasize that this tv was on the floor simply to demonstrate the technology and alert people to what they might be considering 10+ years from now. Possibly sooner? Who knows? But it's good to see what's out there over the horizon.

They also emphasized that the pictures we were seeing on the 8k were specially made demo pieces, again simply to demonstrate the technology, that there is basically no 8k content available now, and that no one is anywhere close to streaming it. The good news, however, is that prices are coming down. That particular model will be only $17,000 next year. Not that this would make any difference to us.

How soon will 8k be a player in the Harry Homeowner market? Good question.

Not sure I'm buying this. MicroLED as mentioned should be fine in terms of power usage, so it's not the display technology.

> More video processing means more transistors in the TV’s System n Chip (SoC) IC compared to a 4K version, and so, more power consumption.

Using an 8K capable decoder and modern fabrication should handle this fine. This ignores that in the time since 4K that chips are smaller and more energy efficient. Now trying to use older hardware and run at 8K and it will draw a lot of power, but that's exactly what regulation like this is trying to prevent. Devices that last years drawing way more power than they should.

As I’m saying, most of the things there are a scam.

Kickstarter is investing in a startup. It's not a pre-order platform. You may be using it incorrectly.

You're right, distance is also a factor. Was thinking more along the lines of across the room. Although as someone who uses my 55" 4k TV as a monitor from across the room I couldn't imagine sitting that close to it lol. I think you have to be closer then like 5ft to notice the difference on a 60"tv.

Some of the 85'' 8K TVs have been drawing upwards of 800W so they were getting up there.

Article with a scientific study on this?

It is likely other advancements like high dynamic range or local dimming that are making the difference for her. Basically at a pretty standard 10ft TV viewing distance the screen would have to be ungodly huge for her to see the difference in pure resolution.

What? My 65 inch 4k tv uses about 250 watts max. The average electric oven uses 2500-3000 watts.

Thats an order of magnitude difference.

Exactly. Why do you need 8k and 4k TV's?

> The problem is that the regulations were set and designed around the average 1080p set power draw.

No, that is absolutely not "the problem" as one would have "upped" the figure otherwise.

It is conscious "we do not want to do that". The same reason why old style inefficient bulbs are banned.

You really can, although only in parts of the image that are high contrast and/or high frequency.

It's linked at the bottom of their page. I'll link it to you though.

https://github.com/MycroftAI

What? My wife said the she couldn't tell the difference until I showed her the same video in 1080p vs 4K while she sat on our couch. Then she said 'It's like the fish are in our living room!" and now she's on board with 4K.

Fair enough! I figured it was a misunderstanding, sorry for being unclear initially

I didn't make the connection with Microsoft. I see the resemblance now, M'cro...ft. I thought you were saying "I haven't heard of this company, so why should I care about this?" My mistake.

I'm not even a backer of this project. A bit out of my budget. Just thought it was cool, so I've been following their blog. Also I'm a fan of open source software and hardware. And like the other person said, they're the first real privacy-respecting alternative to the Amazon Echo.

No no, I mean the exact same product, just rebranded for kisckstarter.

Samsung says its doable and the article also says there are ways to achieve it. It seems it just wasn't on their list of priorities because R&D into true innovation would cost them more.