Seems off topic but it really is the same issue as when MLK called out “excessive consumerism” as a main problem he saw in western societies. The entire part of the speech he criticizes that we are forever busy, forever trying to do more business. That our devices and machines are not always time saving devices, nor are they soul saving devices.

When I look at how competitive and specific TV and monitor technology has become, and think about this: what resolution did we enjoy Independence Day (1996) at? The Lion King? I am in tech and have a lot of it myself so I’m not ignorant to what the differences are, but damn…we have to stop pushing forward. Companies push to out new stuff to motivate us to spent more money on stuff we don’t need, but can’t stand that someone else has it better than us (Drum Major Instinct). Eventually reviewers get on board and start educating us on why some spec or tech matters and everyone has to have it.

Do we really need the blackest of black next to bright spots perfectly rendered on our TV? If we actually understand how vision works and just “watch” movies, there is no difference. You have to direct someone’s attention to see a problem with virtually all of the “artifacts” present in lesser TVs.

Same thing for nVidia’s RTX. Sorry, games aren’t really ray tracing an entire scene. Visual effects can easily be faked to achieve results ray tracing can, without extra special hardware to achieve it. That’s how the industry still operates today and RTX is still mostly a checkbox feature gamedevs have to put effort into to make it worth it.

Radio is stupid and useless. Back in my day we had the town crier keeping us apprised of the latest shenanigans around town and we were happy.

I can’t tell when it’s a normal screen but I can definitely tell on my oculus.

Yup. 4K TVs are easy to get and common now. So they need to push something else to justify prices in the several thousand dollar range and up.

They know there isn’t content for the last Gen but they don’t care. Their job is to get people to buy the next Gen technology. It’s up to others to create the content for the technology

My tech sophistication doesn't go much beyond changing batteries and hitting the power button. So a question:

I know that the streamers' ability to stream 4k is still a bit of a mixed bag. Some older content (especially old tv shows) is still SD, but since I don't watch tv shows, that's not a serious issue for us. A lot is still HD. More and more is 4k, but it's a mix. 4k is becoming the standard, but it will take time.

When we upgraded, we had to upgrade our cable speed and swap to a new 4k ready cable box. (I've thought about switching to fios but that's a separate issue.) My tv tells me the quality of the video I'm getting on any given movie.

My question: can you explain what the gap is between the "4k" listed for a given film and the "full fidelity 4k" to which you refer?

Surround sound is not an issue. We considered that, but we're in an old house and the tv is in a finished basement, but the configuration and wiring issues raised a lot of complications. We settled for a high quality sound bar, which for our room is more than enough.

Freedom to not die of global warming is a bigger right.

Your rights end where mine begin.

After hearing for decades of corporation shenanigans trying to avoid environmental standards I have ZERO empathy for them. Make it work, or don't sell it at all. 8K is not a human right FFS.

In Germany we don’t even have proper Full-HD TV channels. If you want Full-HD you have to pay extra money for free channels. 4K is still future tech for some reason.

No one is anywhere close to streaming full fidelity 4k and surround audio. I really hope we ditch discs for owned digital downloads that are equivalent or better…but we’re not there yet as far as I have found.

Doen’t matter. If you need HDR, you need a lot of nits/light, so the TV uses a lot of power. I don’t want to go back to 400nits TVs just because there is a shitty regulation put in place by technical illiterates. Just give it a worse energy rating score and move on.

Freedom to choose is a right.

Yeah not too mention that most people (like 90%?) are probably watching compressed videos that are barely real full HD.

Like I remember thinking whether I need 4K to watch movies... And then I reminded myself that I have dirt cheap wifi and watch everything in compressed 720p.

Yeah it's not about resolution, it's all about DPI now basically. Besides a specific DPI it all becomes completely useless marketing.

It doesn't matter.

The goal is (at least for now, it might change if "energy will be abundant" vision turns true) that nobody wants to increase power consumption of an average household, on the opposite.

If that renders some shiny tech that arguably barely anyone on this planet needs, oh well.

Why is it important an 1080p Tv? What does it do that a 480i doesn't?

Very much this. I happen to have both a low-end 4K tv for general viewing and a top-of-the-line (at the time) 1080p plasma for “movie night” viewing. There’s absolutely no comparison. The plasma is miles and miles ahead in every way. Contrast and black levels make way more of a difference than resolution, but that’s harder to market to the general public. I have above average vision (close to 20:10) so I can see a slight difference in the resolutions at 10-12ft viewing distances but that’s minuscule in comparison to the areas in which the plasma excels.

ETA: the low-end 4K is 50” and the plasma is 60”

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There were a few things lost, but for the most part switching to LED was a neutral move to the consumer. They both create light.

A 1080p and 4k screen are not equivalents.

8K makes sense for computer monitors because you're so close. For TVs? Few people can tell the difference, and among those who can not many people care.

the same thing was once said about FullHD

So what's next? Gaming PCs? If you want to reduce emissions you just tax carbon emissions and let the market adjust. What if I prefer a 8K TV but I don't own some other energy intensive hardware? I think the EU is becoming a joke.

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Yes, in your case, 4k and possibly 8k totally makes sense

Yes, but I'm want to use it as regular monitor, so it's like 80 cm from me.

I totally agree for plain TV case 8k doesn't make any sense

I don't even see a difference (I see one when I search for difference but not Netflix and chill) from FHD to 4k ...

Table in this article with distance you have to be to be able to tell the difference

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kevinmurnane/2017/11/01/when-a-4k-tv-looks-just-like-a-1080p-tv/

It really is pretty ridiculously close