AirPods are better for tracking, can just claim it was misplaced.

Edit: wow so much hate for a joke.

Razer Core X and similar eGPUs seem to do ok. I have seen a RTX 3080 rated at about 20% slower than on a desktop. Slightly better if you don't have to return the graphics output back down the thunderbolt connection. A large amount of memory on the cards can certainly help with the bandwidth. I can't really see it being an issue for most graphics cards when heat will stop them first in a laptop.

It’s not minimalist, so many unnecessary aspects to the design, the odd taper and curve that make it look like any laptop. The thing I love most about it is the top lid (not the hinge) of the screen, that is minimalist, if only that carried on throughout the rest of the casing.

A MacBook Pro or a Google Chromebook Pixel from 2015 is minimalist.

I think they have dumbed it down too much with the focus ease of upgradability. Personally I could just do with a minimalist design with built in (but user replaceable/repairable) ports and insides (with upgradability in mind) along with a screen (with windows hello camera) that can be replaced. Have a magnetic power charger similar to MagSafe or use a USB 4.0 port for charging too. USB 4.0 with a digital line in/headphone jack (again replaceable from the inside without it being a module) and have a nicely designed flush take on an ExpressCard type slot for the other side to slot in other optional ports.

They also announced today that they are going to be selling a case for main boards. Cool stuff

How uncivilized

The MacBook Air is minimalist. To be fair, for a modular laptop their design is fairly minimal but I think they are a few iterations away from MacBook level minimalism. Great work though, I hope they keep doing well.

definitely need one for streaming so much equipment to hook up!

You don't have to toss that old motherboard either. You can buy or 3D print a case for it and use it as a mini desktop if you want.

How is the original 13 and the new 16 not minimalist?

Seriously, at some point you're just complaining to complain.

The whole point is to reduce e-waste. The laptops should hopefully keep getting upgrades. That way if you want a new cpu you get a new main board and cpu and not a whole new chassis. Old one can be sent back

I was really hoping they would refine their design for a larger laptop but they doubled down on the previous aesthetics.

Really all I want is a repairable and a user upgradable take on a minimalist laptop , why is this so hard?

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I think you're mixing and matching your bits and bytes.

Thunderbolt tops out at 40Gb/s, PCIe gen 4 x16 tops out at 32GB/s. This means that things like textures and new geometries will load much more slowly so while it might be fine for CAD, you'll encounter issues with gaming, especially with modern engines that use much more refined levels of detail.

Is the cost of the laptop + the 11 gen motherboard + the 12 gen greater or lesser than the cost of a comparable laptop matching the specs of the 12 gen

Why not just expose the PCIe as an external port then?

They've already released a 12th gen motherboard for the Framework 13 inch version to allow owners to upgrade from 11th gen.

Nope. USB4's bandwidth in symmetric mode is 80 Gbps. While PCIe 4.0 x16 is 32 GBps. The difference is big B, bytes vs little b, bits. USB4 is 80 Gbits per second or 10 GBytes per second. While PCIe 4.0 x16 is 32 GBytes per second.

USB4's bandwidth would be the equivalent of PCIe 2.0 x16 or PCIe 3.0 x8. Just slightly higher bandwidth that that.

USB4 2.0 almost has enough bandwidth to carry a modern GPU. It would have a bit more bandwidth than a PCIe 3.0 x8 slot or a bit more bandwidth than a PCIe 2.0 x16 slot. And with the 4090 desktop, you lose about 6% performance if you use a PCIe 2.0 x16 slot vs. a PCIe 4.0 x16 slot.

I *just* had an Anker dock die, I could seriously use a replacement.

surely it's plenty for most people, especially in a laptop

This is pretty cool, but tech companies have no monetary incentive to keep providing compatible upgrades to a single machine. They need us to buy new laptops every 2 or 3 years to maintain their profit margins.

Yeah but it's still not quite there speed-wise. The bottleneck is still there.

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..Without going into a huge rant here about why pci-e exists, and how absurdly obsolete it is - usb4 has 80Gbps transfer rates (same as pci-ex16, in ..theory).