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UserInside t1_jdgzsqs wrote

Yes he did, so any time he will talk about Framework he'll still try to be as neutral as possible. But if you really want someone 100% neutral to see review/test of those laptop from, LTT won't be the best option.

As always, it is always best to watch multiple review from different channel/media, especially when it is about a product you want to buy.

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UserInside t1_jdgzftt wrote

NVIDIA kinda fucked up MXM platform a few times. I remember MSI making GPU upgradeable gaming laptop, back in Kepler era GTX7xx, and when Maxwell came out (GTX9xx), they couldn't offer upgrade for a long time because of how the new GPU architecture was heavily modifyed in terms of power delivery. Also each MXM module cost an arm and leg individually, even if you are MSI/Asus and can get them for much cheaper than a random customer. Meaning it wasn't much more expensive to just sold your last gen laptop and get the new gen one.

So I'm still waiting to see how Framework handle this, because in the past much MUCH bigger company broke their teeth on that.

I'll need a new laptop soon, so I'm looking into this and hope for the best to Framework.

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Sol33t303 t1_jdgz6uf wrote

Theres nothing that's fundementally stopping a manufacturer from doing that.

But it's designed as an internal connector:

-Full 16x slots are big. Bigger then any external connectors that I can think of off the top of my head, or 8x.

- your going to get an unpleasant surprise when you try to disconnect something while running without compatible hardware and without jumping through the hoops you gotta do on the software side to shutdown the power to a pcie device (and not accidentally power down something like your internal sata or USB controller). Same goes for connecting something.

- the devices are also in general going to be designed for internal use (exposed fans, exposed PCBs that you could shock with ESD, etc.).

- You can't expect users to know that e.g. plugging in a PCIe device might rerout pcie lanes from say your NVME controller to the new device and that will make buyers *very* unhappy and support tickets will go through the roof, your don't expect your VGA connector to stop working because you have used all your USB slots for example because to an inexperienced that's what it would look like.

- And i'm sure there's a lot more reasons I could think of that an external pcie connector is a terrible idea.

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Iintl t1_jdgxi9s wrote

They're still doing miles better than a typical laptop company. If you bought a HP or Dell or Apple and you wanted an upgrade, your only options are to sell it second hand or throw it away. Framework provides a third option of repurposing the mainboard, should you wish to so, plus it creates less e-waste because the screen, keyboard, battery, chassis etc. don't have to be replaced if they're working fine

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