I can forgive them not giving a comparison to other architectures but why don't they give a reference to the timing before the optimisations? 18 seconds in meaningless.

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> Looks like it might work on a similar principle to those piezoelectric fans

That was my first thoughgt too.

Edit; Actually I'm pretty sure it operates on the same principle.

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You have no idea how much money already goes into fabs and architecture design, you're forgetting AMD Athlon had 100W TDP as well.

Slap this tech on an Nvidia card… voilà! you got yourself an expensive convention oven! Use to re-flow circuit boards or even cook some pizza rolls!

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>Blowing out dust isn't that much of a problem if you can open the laptop with ease.

This is true with normal fans and heat sinks but how do you know that's the case with this type of cooler?

Huh, I didn't know about those previous attempts.

A decade is a lot of time for the consumer electronics industry, so I don't think attempts from 10-20 years ago mean all that much for a project today, not to mention the importance of marketing, timing, and industry relationships in stuff like this. "Past performance is not a predictor of future results."

That said, I won't claim to have any idea how this particular product will turn out. So yeah, we'll see.

On a side note, I like the more technical information in those sources. I read through the GE one and the idea of alternating intake/exhaust through one hole makes more sense to me than somehow puling the air in one direction through a plate, but an arrangement like that seems like it would lose some performance to heat building up at the intake... I'd be very interested to see how a fully developed commercial version works in a laptop.

Or design better power management and CPUs.

My M1 Max Mac doesn’t have a fan and doesn’t get hot even when running photoshop and Lightroom simultaneously and charging…

We'll see.

Personally, I don't think the demand for solid-state fans is enough to overcome the engineering, manufacturing, and marketing challenges.

It certainly wasn't when Purdue tried in 2002, or Thorrn in 2008, or GE in 2012.

I mean, any new product has that hurdle. The big thing right now isn't how much they have in place, it's how big their potential market is. Those fans LTT covered are made for highly specialized applications with near-nonexistent markets, but these are targeting a wide variety of consumer electronics.

On top of that, if I remember correctly, the article has quotes from Intel reps saying they're very excited to work with them to use these new coolers. If they have the attention of Intel they should be able to expect a certain level of initial adoption right off the bat.

It happens with lots of things, when there's almost no market for it it's insanely expensive and you have very few choices but the moment that market opens up the choices grow and the cost plummets. They usually get a lot better too just due to sheer R&D investment.

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ARM won't make the money x86/AMD64 currently make. As long as ARM won't run legacy code bases or libraries, developers won't make the switch.

Even though the M1 and M2 are great chips, they haven't changed much regarding developers switching or abandoning x86/AMD64.

Even though .net 7 has native support for ARM, no developer is going to read 200.000+ lines of code to port .Net 3 or .Net 4 functions to .Net 7. That's the sad reality. There needs to be a breakthrough in ARM so it can execute x86/ARM64 and than we should have a great future regarding power efficiency.

If a business has to "push toward" to sell their product, they don't have a product. A product is something people want and want to buy. This is another example of a product looking for a market. And of a developer not being open minded enough to give up on a bad idea.

If it wasn’t obvious I was referring to ARM

> You can’t compare power usage of a x86 core and an ARM because one was designed for high performance, and the other was designed for low power consumption. It’s also why every cell phone uses an ARM processor.

Why not, when ARM chips get similar or better performance? When the output is the same and one consumes far less power for it, why shouldn’t you compare the power usage?

ARM, for low power and performance efficiency, is better, and that is why. It gets more ILP, and ILP is more efficient than TLP (which is more efficient than PLP, but yeah).

AMD64 is entrenched. It's what Windows works on. It's what the entire PC ecosystem works on. The PlayStation and Xbox runs on AMD64. Whether we like it or not, it is here to stay.

I deliberately didn't discuss any switch to ARM, as it's almost certainly not going to happen and I was responding to someone who was saying that making more efficient CPUs was a better idea than better fans.

It is, of course, but it isn't going to happen to the level ARM allows it to.

These threads always end up going in circles.

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Create one. And make sure it becomes mainstream, is easy to implement. Maybe Risc-V ?

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i mean if it was that easy i think we would already have a solution or seen a market switch to a different architecture. Apple came from PowerPC -> Intel -> ARM. It ain't easy creating a architecture. let alone maintain and upgrade it. Even apple with all it's money hasn't created their own architecture. So that should say alot

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My fans cry in Slack and VSCode.