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DarkTreader t1_iz54rca wrote

Okay so some issues.

  1. The first half of the article is the author talking to an analyst, which is suspect when the article is so simplistic. Okay, so a guys says X. This is typical lightweight reporting.

  2. So the author links to two studies, which are important. Except one link is broken! I can't confirm anything they say. For the one link that is not broken, the study is dense, and I can't make out how the analyst draws a line from this study to "it's bad." It's not that I think he's lying, I just don't understand; the study is using statistical methods I'm just not smart enough to know anything about. The analyst says "I routinely see errors at 1:500 or lower." That sounds like on specific types of fingerprint scanning. The author should be breaking things out, which types of identification are better than others. saying "I routinely see errors at 1:500 or lower" makes it sound like that's across all technologies when it could easily be not. It's weasel wording that makes something generic when it might not be. I want specifics.

  3. the second half the article is conjecture and mostly a hit piece against biometrics. Some of what he says may be true, but then provides no real proof of any of it. "Apple and Google clearly do X." Do they? Where are your citations for X? You are using the studies as proof of how inaccurate they are, but then wildly speculating as to why. I think he should be a little more generous by trying to explain more possibilities as just that, possibilities and not out and out declarations. There are kernel's of truth here but what I can tell from the study is that it doesn't make out and out declarations as to why, only the how many. To the study's credit, that's what it's supposed to in order to be good science. The article, however, is not good science reporting. Because you heard one report on the internet that someone's kid unlocked your iPhone with their face is not scientific evidence of how often it occurs. Stop including anecdotes with scientific data! Bad reporting!

  4. To round things out, Apple claims touch ID has false positives 1/50000. The NIST is looking for 1/100000. So I can't tell how accurate touch ID is because I can't even see which line is touch ID. Touch ID isn't going for the accuracy the NIST is asking for. Face ID is supposed to be much higher, but like I said the study link is broken so I can't even confirm the statistics, even if I could read them. Also, what is "Accuracy"? Is that false positives as well as false negatives? False negatives are a problem, but far less so than false positives.

Again, there are kernels of truth here, but security at this scale is primarily about "how often" and putting things in a risk/reward analysis, and the article doesn't do enough work to put that all into context. It's not that the fingerprint scanner let someone into your phone, it's how often would that occur and if it's more or less possible than guessing your 4 digit code? It's not that your phone let your child unlock your phone, it's how often he had to try it before it took it. This article throws some numbers down but never explains all that and throws a bunch of conjecture. I have no doubt manufacturers like apple are fudging their own numbers, and I would never use Apple's stuff as high security for major corporate or government groups, but I also don't see massive waves of people losing their data when they lose their phones and then someone cracks the biometrics, nor do I see major waves of parents having their children unlock their phones and play candy crush, racking up huge credit card bills.

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User9705 t1_iz4rpgb wrote

Honestly u can just get T-Mobile home. Mine runs $30 a month. I get it, but starlink is in places where people get T-Mobile home (and that’s what I mean). I pull about 500 down / 70 up no caps. Ironically u could dual wan your starlink and T-Mobile home, be kind of dumb but you can use that extra cost on starlink to pay for the mobile internet. The discount for 30 is with two voice lines on the magenta max plan. Just additional ideas. Upside is if you travel, the T-Mobile box works while traveling.

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BchLasagna t1_iz4k5uv wrote

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Pyriel t1_iz4i7mj wrote

Biometrics are incredibly good at Identification.

Much less so at Authentication.

However, getting rid of password authentication is seen as a key security aim, so companies keep trying to replace passwords with biometrics.

I'm not a fan.

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Kumanji907 t1_iz43ktl wrote

I'm a little confused after reading through the article....didn't we already know this? Or is it supposed to be surprising How inaccurate it is?

I swear I remember seeing a new phone a while back that fingerprint scanner could be unlocked by anyone

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ohaikthxbai t1_iz3pdof wrote

Not sure what CMR is selling to end users, I'm just speaking from seeing that modular robot in an OR and how much less space it takes up compared to the booms of the newest da vinci models. Wheeling the Versius arms around a room is faster and less burdensome than driving the massive da vinci patient cart doing 18 point turns in an OR that already has tons of other equipment. Remember with a modular robot you can choose to bring in a camera and 2 arms if that's all you need, save the space of a 3rd arm.

MDs aren't aware of what they're missing when they're buried in the da vinci console because they've been conditioned to value its "immersion". It depends on your specialty but for procedures that have the instrument arms potentially colliding, the console surgeon can't see that. They can't look at a patient scan without taking their head out. They can't see patient vitals or other activity in the room without disengaging the robot. To "pop their head out quickly" versus not pop your head out at all and use the same room awareness you'd have in an open/laparoscopic surgery has value. It's like looking through 4K binoculars instead of a 1080p panoramic view when you're captaining a ship, but the binocular manufacturer keeps selling you the fancy 4K visuals.

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persimmonsfordinner t1_iz3nslc wrote

These aren’t the huge benefits that CMR sells them as. The footprint of a modular robot is massive and the single-unit isn’t as restrictive as it would seem. From the care team perspective, OR footprint is a huge deal, if your hospital isn’t new with huge ORs.

I’m also not sure what the benefit of an open console is- all the MDs I’ve spoken with don’t feel disconnected in a console that they can pop their head out of quickly. It’s not like they’re in a different room than the patient?

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rathemighty t1_iz3adi7 wrote

My dog died 3 years ago because he had a throat tumor and no one wanted to operate, as they were afraid of accidentally cutting an aorta due to the location of the tumor. This news is bittersweet, as we probably could have used it back then. But dammit, if this isn’t good news! FOR BEAR!!!

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