I love them,for real no other headphone manage to capture their magic imo.

Muddiness usually comes from specific bass frequencies, typically the upper bass. So it's pretty easy to see on a graph which headphone is likely to be muddy. Same thing with treble, the specific spikes tell you which headphone is more likely to be unpleasant.

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I recently ordered the Truthear Hexa, so I will just be using those for now. I realized I don't use IEMs nearly as much as my headphones and It doesn't really make sense for me to spend several hundreds of dollars on top tier IEMs, so at least for now I'll be going for some cheaper IEMs.

for the most part, I actually enjoyed the XC tuning out of the box and didn't bother with tuning all that much, but I did give it a bit more sub bass with my lokius. As for how it compares, for details, I would say that the Arya is the more capable headphone. The Arya is more detailed, has taller soundstage (width is more or less the same), more accurate imaging and separation. This is not to say the LCD-XC is bad, I preferred the XC when it came to vocal heavy tracks as they provided more intimacy and a clearer center image. I also preferred their performance with heavy bass tracks. It's a guilty pleasure of mine and I love a lot of rumbly and punchy bass sometimes, my Aryas are pretty good at providing good rumble and punch, but they don't exactly give the same sensation that the XC can as it is a closed back. Overall though, I prefer the Aryas and I do think they are the better headphone.

But they are related to loudness at different frequencies, though. Even how we perceive transient response is related to loudness at certain frequencies, which is why things like impulse response aren't so useful.

I'm the same as u

I kinda get you but those things don't really only depend on fr.

you can have two headphones with equally elevated bass where one is muddy and the other is not. same with treble.

or am I dumb?

That’s critical thinking done correctly. I like it. I’m going to steal it.

Where did you get that hat? I love it! If you made it, could you make a tutorial please?

That might be true but I'm more interested in the aspects of a headphone I cannot change, since those are ultimately what will decide if I like it or not.

And for an audiophile audience who spend thousands on audio equipment I really don't think fiddling with a few sliders to make their stuff sound better should be too much.

Thanks for your explanations :D

Equal-loudness contour

>An equal-loudness contour is a measure of sound pressure level, over the frequency spectrum, for which a listener perceives a constant loudness when presented with pure steady tones. The unit of measurement for loudness levels is the phon and is arrived at by reference to equal-loudness contours. By definition, two sine waves of differing frequencies are said to have equal-loudness level measured in phons if they are perceived as equally loud by the average young person without significant hearing impairment.

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If OP wants to know more- here's a decent wikipedia article on Equal-loudness contour - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-loudness_contour

Thank you! Some time ago I tried to match my little USB speakers to the sound of my headphones calibrated to the Harman target, and I managed to get a pretty decent sound, even from these cheap speakers! I'll try to do it using pink noise though, sounds interesting

They sound merely the same, tho. Like one of the most Harman neutral headphones.

I would say with the 10$ buds the instruments are harder to separate, you can't quite "pick out an instrument to listen to". Idk if that makes sense. The detail in the sound might be lost and it just generally sounds "bad"

Kinda like how a low quality file can make music sound bad, except in that case I understand why and how and in this case I don't. If I had to guess it's how accurately the driver reproduces the actual signal it's given. But again I don't know, that's why I'm asking.

That's Actually main reason I got them was for rap, pop and stuff like that. The vocals were fine and the bass wasn't so overwhelming it got annoying. Not sure it will be replicated though. I was listening to it on the gsx mini, which I don't have at home.

I wouldn’t buy a headphone I wouldn’t listen to without PEQ, because I don’t always have PEQ.

FR is only so useful, the blathering of reviewers usually even less so. In the absence of being able to test a headphone yourself, both have their uses.

I get that but I do use EQ, so when looking at reviews I'm more interested in the stuff I can't change about a headphone, not the stuff I can.

thanks

Oh! Never really linked the points hahah The frequencies I tend to turn down when doing this are really the ones in the 2k-4k range, which is where we have the Harman peak... Thank you!!

do not use sine sweeps for flatness. as u/The_D0lph1n said, the brain perceives different frequencies as louder or not. Sine sweeps might be useful for dips/peaks and channel matching, but thats pretty much it. Use music (or pink noise) and adjust using a reference if you want flatness

That's essentially what I was getting to in the second part of my post. It's the only objective measurement a reviewer can provide that has a useful basis for comparison for the average person.

for the most part, yes, but there are other things that come into play. elevated treble can sometimes create a sense of detail, certain peaks can mask surrounding frequencies, etc. Truth is, there are a lot of things that seem not related to loudness at different frequencies but actually are.

Frequency response is basically the only measurements that I can... hear. THD, CSD, impulse response, etc., doesn't always correlate to what I hear out of headphones. Not to say that's not useful, but seems less reliable in terms of predicting what something sounds like.

> you should probably file a lost iem report