Do they sell replacement ear cups? I wouldn't worry much about electronics then, that area gets a drop of moisture at most. Thanks for the help!

You're welcome!

No one asked you to trust a developer, or a Reddit user. This thing called google can give you the answers you are looking for.

And there are in fact third party measurements. They are irrelevant though because they determined there is zero perceivable difference. The actual measured number is so insignificantly small, it isn’t even worth considering.

Why are you so defensive lol

*cries in Focal*

Sweat and oils will eventually destroy your pads quicker, and there's no way to minimize other than covering them with something or not wearing your headphones. Padding is generally not expensive to replace though, so maybe buy a couple sets while they're still available if you're worried

As for the drivers and electronics, unless you're obscenely sweaty, you're probably fine

I trust devs more than some reddit user. And no reviewer does audio latency testing for gaming.

https://youtu.be/JTuZvRF-OgE

It's impossible to find a plain black sleek closed back audiophile headphones that are good for gaming without being called gaming, no mic or anything like that

Your computer utilizes the drivers, not the game. So you are technically correct on that point. Though everything on steam is standardized (on windows at least) so this is a moot point.

I wouldn’t trust what developers say. They give unrealistic or biased information (obviously). Third party measurements are much more reliable.

Plus it’s Riot, they don’t have the greatest track record lol

Not buying this lol, the last one broke in a year of use, cloud orbit s sucked and so does the penrose

Great, thank you for your response. I'm only 1 year in this hobby and from day 1 I was thinking about Arya, due to Joshua Valour influence, because he was the first reviewer, that I started to watch and in that time he was loving AryaV2 and I am still dreaming about the day, when I will grab a pair for myself and will sunk into audio nirvana

Enjoy your Arya! For most people they are end game material

Measured frequency response (at least for over ears) will not match exactly what you hear because the measurement rig has a different anatomy than your ears.

This is a graph of 40 different peoples perception of FR, and the divergence starts at 1Khz.

So how a headphone looks on its FR, and how it is perceived by the individual, is totally subjective.

Check out the paper: https://vbn.aau.dk/ws/portalfiles/portal/227875122/1995_M_ller_et_al_AES_Journal_a.pdf

My buddy told me about his new 7.1 gaming headset, and how it was true surround sound on your head.

I put the 800S on his head, and after that he wouldn't stop talking about how much he could hear in game and how immersive the sound was.

yeah ok but why? you haven't addressed any of the points I mentioned.

from the fr graph you can guess at things like muddyness or clarity or whatever but ultimately they are guesses. from what I heard there are headphones with wild looking graphs that sound great and headphones with smooth level graphs that suck.

so sure, fr is important, but why?

I just read the page. Very interesting subject, specially about the changes the Fletcher Munson curve had and ended up being actually close to what we have today as the standard. Thank you!

The top hat is an adorable finishing touch. Kudos to you both for your good tastes.

ok so what does that actually mean? :D

It kind of sounds like you're in the middle of a rain storm... on my regular computer speakers it just sounds like static

Since headphones are minimum phase devices, all those other things, including separation, speed, imaging, and soundstage, do depend on the frequency response.

However it's simply that's we don't know how to fully interpret these information from a FR graph yet, and the FR measured does not equal the FR you will actually hear (due to HRTF from pinna gain for overears and resonance peak from ear canal for IEMs, since every person's ear anatomy is unique)

No games use asio drivers. Lots of testing on audio latency has been done by riot devs, league of legends game devs. They found earphones directly connected to motherboars best for lowest lag for games. Asio gives lower lag than this but only if software supports it, but no game does.

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No games use asio drivers. Lots of testing on audio latency has been done by riot devs, league of legends game devs. They found earphones directly connected to motherboars best for lowest lag for games. Asio gives lower lag than this but only if software supports it, but no game does.

it is hard to know what causes them to sound different because they are two extremely different products.

But even then, what metrics could cause them to sound different? Ignoring variables that affect perception (price, physical sensation, build quality, hearing, etc), we find that the most important objective metric is FR.

i think we are agreeing, but theres a slight misunderstanding. I interpreted his saying of "loudness at different frequencies" as how he used graphs. I thought he meant basic stuff like "oh, theres more bass", which is true but limited in use. i agree with your statements tho, it technically is loudness at different frequencies, but interpreting graphs can go (a little) beyond that

This is an important point. Some headphones just don't handle EQ well, so you can't just EQ to fix things.