gotta stay strapped

Oh not at all, it’s all about learning and sharing. I mean I would say a 5ms delay in the low frequencies in those plots is pretty significant… and then a 2ms deviation in the high frequency as well on the lcd2. I also put a lot more time into listening than graphs myself, but they can be useful. The logical fallacy here is just that if they’re going to say it’s min phase and that, due to this, all information about transients and speed etc blah blah is all wrapped up in the fr. Well that’s just not true, a 4ms group delay in audio is not insignificant and could definitely lead a trained/experienced listener to hear a difference. So while in the grand scheme it doesn’t really matter, sometimes I put my neck on the Reddit echo chamber chopping block and say something 😂

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Yeah it be like that, at least I have a few friends that's in the same boat as me :)

Never heard sundaras, from the specs i think they are completely different as the oppo pm3 has a warmer signature with punch bass and excellent definition without compromising anything.

Furthermore, in terms of sound and build quality they are on par with most of high end cans.

Pretty average hand, these do have gigantic cups, like far from touching my ears

Most reviews say the closed backs are garbage even with EQ. What music are you testing them with?

Oh I hear ya. I’m in pretty deep myself. Not quite as deep as you, but most of my friends think I’m out of my fucking mind

i also just got these recently and am loving them. i do wanna get either the 600 or 650/6XX sometime in 2023

You can't change any frequency response into any other and you can't change a garbage one into a good one.

Do you have an example of a specific headphone with the excess group delay measurements that show a significant deviation from minimum-phase? Just cause you mention that a lot of popular headphones have large portions of non-linear regions. Like I see the M1060 as an example but it's fairly minor. The HD600 and LCD2 graphs (other than noise in the bass region) looks like it's very much minimum phase.

Personally I don't put much stock into measurement graphs other than to get a general feel for the tuning so don't take this is as me being antagonistic. I'm just curious because I haven't really seen an example where there's a clear and significant deviation from minimum-phase.

I have a little smaller ears so they fit me well

Yes and no. Most people don't and won't EQ even if it's free sound quality and easy to start with presets. The tuning often explains like 90% of the sound and many cheaper headphones and IEMs can EQ'd to be very competitive with something good 10 x the price. Soundstage and macrodynamics are mostly separate from tuning, but detail, separation etc are usually highly correlated with the tuning.

Why was I downvoted

How is the fit of the buds pro? Mine doesn't seal well :/

Anyway to fix

yup absolutely recommend giving live music a shot with the 560s, it just sounds so good. my fav live performance with them is boygenius @ brooklyn steel

I can’t tell whether you have tiny hands or enormous headphones

Frequency response, as a physical property of a headphone or IEM, dictates what you will hear (barring deliberately added DSP or exceptionally poorly designed edge cases). That doesn't mean that graphed measurements of said frequency response will necessarily tell it to you. The two are different things, which is the source of much confusion.

Thanks! I'm a planar fan, specifically HIFIMAN but man....these are fun as hell. I don't know if it's the excitement of something new or what but I feel like I'm enjoying every song I put on. The tuning brings out parts of songs that are normally not that forward, so it makes it all feel so new lol.

Congrats! I haven't tried these yet, but I'm a big fan of the Meze sound.

>I can get behind an 80/20 weighting of preference to literally hearing different. I'm still holding onto a shard of hearing differently because I don't know how some people can listen to Beyerdynamics (990 and 1990) even after testing headphones with different signatures. They both pierce my soul haha.

As I said in my first post it is not entirely clear how that is perceived by all people. But I know from reading Floyd Toole's book and doing some research, because I also find this rather facinating (Why do people love speakers/headphones with ear piercing highs?). That hearing loss could also be a potential reason why some people seemingly enjoy it, besides what is already stated see here for example noise induced hearing loss 'notches' https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Audiograms-showing-onset-and-progression-of-noise-induced-hearing-loss-First-a-notch_fig3_264555852. Which quite coincedently are exactly around the treble peak of a beyer headphone... With normal hearing loss it also kind of acts like a low pass on the sound making the highs less audible; https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Age-related-hearing-loss-according-to-the-International-Organization-for-Standardization_fig1_338597788

Fiio K7

that's dank

44100 is good if you can’t hear an improvement going 48k